Post by Nobu Narukami on Aug 6, 2018 16:55:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess I'm just used to more the youthful models we've had since the beginning. SK7 looks like it'll have a darker setting than previous games, hence the more mature and refined look to go with it.
well not sure. I think the Remake marketing is over, though not sure about the pinball game. 7EVEN could start getting updates, not sure about TGS. I would guess they might push the pinball game before updating on 7EVEN,
how ironic Sony's policy is pushing back 7EVEN's launch. well I said SK is taking risks stepping over the child controversies line,
now the worst case scenario is biting them hard. if they focused more on the ninja side of things, while still being beautiful but not pandering to sickos, you know making the series for girls and ninja action fans first and foremost, they wouldn't be having these issues. even DOA6 is gonna get through without having to tweak much of anything.
besides, SK characters should be grown up by now and like in their 20s. so many years spent and SK devs are still barely taking steps forward with the storyline.
menawhile, 15 years of Pretty Cure and they have ENTIRE SAGAs complete and the girls are respectable, powerful, beautiful, loved, awesome, and with a massive roster of 55+ heroines, and that's not even counting the antagonists.
now what has Senran Kagura accomplished all this time? pretty much one arc, the opposing team's version of that arc. Shinovi, and Estival which is considered a training phase, thats it. things like the cooking, water guns, refle, and now pinball is really treating the series and characters like material that's more like porn that really isnt intended to go anywhere.
and now they get totally caught off guard with this new policy? haven't they even been aware of how damaging some of these themes have affected Japan? their population is in a crisis. they can have strong and pretty heroines without marketing them like waifus.
like they should learn from Sailor Moon and Pretty Cure. SK does have talented writer, but their angle really dug SK in the hole its in. now their concept raises red flags and now its more effort to get their next game done.
they really havent learned much. though what can one expect from someone that came up with SK from the concept of 3D breasts gimmicks. how they expect even most girls to respect the series with the girls being objectified half the time, and sexual harrassment minigames. Like really, Takaki sure isnt the hero for respectable heroine games.
it makes it difficult for some fans to even be SK fans without being mistaken for one of "those" types of people.
now I never expected Sony to actually make such a specific policy to go into effect, but I think that foreshadows how serious a problem it is in Japan with there being such a line pushing the sexes there apart, not only by lifestyle and work and education issues, but also entertainment sources that are giving men in particular less incentive to understand and socialize with women in a respectable manner. that country is all sorts of screwed up. sexism is everywhere but Japan in particular is insane with how much division between the sexes there really is. so its a multi factor point, though the direction SK been going sure isnt helping matters. though it definitely is a more empowering series than say, Omega Quintet, or all those other games that center on a male protagonist and the females are just their waifus.
so in some respects SK is better than most lewd series. though its a shame it wasnt designed with a more dignified and respectful formula.
though yea anyways, this is just noise to fans that wouldnt want SK any other way overall.
You have a great point. I loved the series during the burst and crimson games. Even shinovi versus was a really great addition to the series with it's fun gameplay and great stories (especially hebijo's). The girl's hearts missions were okay too, get to learn more about each character and have fun with them.
But after shinovi versus the series has got progressively weird and unentertaining. It certainly does come off as highly disrespectful and containing almost no story except for a couple lores in the main or side stories. The series has become more of a guilty pleasure through the direction it is heading. It certainly appeals to people at first glance as excessively sexist and perverted. Really the only games made for a decent audience are the first two. After that it's just fanservice and weird stories that are not that appealing.
The anime did a great job portraying the first two games in a more serious and story-driven way. I'm glad there working on a second season to do the games some justice.
Estival versus was on the lines of shinovi, but it was not at all the same in terms of seriousness. The story is entirely skippable (because the main part is revolved around Ryoki leaving forever even though she comes right back in Peach Beach Splash) and they bring in new characters to simply downplay and make sexual jokes with. Sure the creator is wanting this from the games, but there is such a thing as too far.
From what I heard, 7EVEN is supposed to take a more serious turn, adding new characters (hopefully new wave) and bringing in some serious baddies and yoma (like in deep crimson). So there is promise for the series yet.
Let's just hope that they don't make straight up hentai games. There will be no turning back after that (although pretty much every game is on the brink of that).
I wonder how the voice actors feel for voicing these games. Hikage's actress seems to have the right idea, she sounds pretty fed up with it. XD
Post by UnknownOneDied on Dec 20, 2018 5:31:43 GMT -5
Games after Shinovi Versus have more goof in them, although I do enjoy the fun bits, as long as those moments aren't so excessive, every now and then, hope they don't ruin 7EVEN, Hikage is always like that lol, VA Ryoko Shiraishi.
Also I'm currently watching your video Noanator, good videos.
Hello, so... a time has passed, and 7even is still under development, actually I think is better to call that it is in "development hell".
We had some discussion on Steam with other users about the game, and so far it seems it's not viable to simply launching in PS4. Some members say to completely ditch the PS4 and replace it with a Nintendo Switch version, which it would be the most straightforward thing to do in order to solve the censorship issues. But also that would mean to cancel a part of the work that was being made for the PlayStation 4, and keeping in mind that the series has not a big budget, I don't think Marvelous will simply allow that.
So, the idea would be to finish the censored PS4 version, and then release a "Director's Cut" version on the Nintendo Switch, with all the original ideas restored. This last version would also be released for Steam and PS4 would be leaving with it's censored version meeting Sony's policies.
I think this is the way to go, because you will get the game with a major number of platforms and at the same time you can deliver the product you wanted... so everyone's happy this way I guess.
We don't know how the development of the game advanced though, there is a chance that they remade the entire game and we will get a watered-down version, in which case it wouldn't matter releasing this game for Switch, however it is still a option for future releases. But, reading the interviews with Takaki, he never said explicity that the game is started from scratch, it's not like Metroid Prime 4 that it got it's development restarted. He said that the concepts needs to be "rethought or remade", but so far he didn't said about anything being remade yet, so, considering that concepts were rethought but not remade, they can put the uncensored content on the Switch.
With a rethought concept and remade I differenciate them like this:
Remade: concepts being done from scratch specially for Sony's policies, ditching the original.
Rethought: original concepts but tweaked to meet Sony's policies, while at the same time trying to keep them the closest as possible to the original intended one. Example: The concept here would be having Ryona in a sexy outfit. That would go censored on PS4, using another outfit, and on Switch it would be the original model, it's a rethought concept, adapted to Sony while being somewhat the closest as possible to what they wanted, AND what they wanted on Switch (original idea).
The PS4 version could also remove clothes tearing, intimancy (again), maybe some pics and clothes, etc to tone down the levels, and restore all of that on Switch, Burst Re:Newal let's you disable clothes tearing for example.
So, that idea it's possible to implement, I asked Marvelous Europe about this, and while they said that they can't intervene directly into the game, they passed the feedback to their relevant contacts. But they also said that's even better if fans asked the japanese teams directly (aka Marvelous Japan or HONEY∞PARADE GAMES).
That's one thing we could try to save the series, ask them to bring the games to Switch uncensored and things should keep rolling. I don't lose hope for the simply thing that both, Marvelous Europe and Marvelous Japan did reply me, the former encouraging me to ask to the latter and not closing the doors.
Meanwhile, Marvelous Japan just answered with "We have nothing to annonce right now, but thanks for your feedback", the last part I did interpret it like "We are listening".
The link to send them a email is this, I used Google Translator to communicate and seemed good enough. I got the reply a few days after.
Here is my message if someone wants it as reference:
Post by Nobu Narukami on Jan 11, 2020 7:42:38 GMT -5
I guess I should think about getting a Switch. I can tolerate censorship to agree, but if Sony is going this far to destroy the series trademark, then what's the point of playing it on the PS4? I know I said I would play Re:Newel on the PS4 despite the censorship before the game came to the US, but if Sony intends to wreak more havoc on the series like this, I'm having second thoughts on the PS4's version of 7even now.
You should get the PC version of Burst Re:Newal though, not censor and you can get it far cheaper for more content (and even if you don't use the full content, is still cheaper than the cut down PS4 version), the only advantage the PS4 could have is the At the Seams edition, nothing more.
To be honest, I'm not a guy that plays fanservices games, this would be my first and maybe last one, the friend that recommended me Senran Kagura also recommended me to play Valkyrie Drive... but I'm not interested. I play mainly for the plot, it managed to surpass all my expectations and it has lots of potential. I even have some questions regarding the story.
I wouldn't mind at all if they take a new direction for example and tone down fanservice in favor of a better or darker story, however I pretty much think that both things can be accomplishied.
The series manages to balance both things pretty well, even in places were it would look awkward (if you are a bit of open minded).
But also, the series would loss a big component such as it's jokes and some characters personalities (such as Katsuragi) if fanservice is removed. So I'm not sure about this, Senran Kagura would end being Senran Kagura and would turn out into something else, possible to it's detriment, it's a interesting experiment to do however. Hell, I wouldn't mind at all if they use the jokes males versions of Hanzo academy in a spin-off game, it would be interesting as well (and maybe hilarious, just look at male Hibari).
Regarding Switch, moving the series there is the way to go, Shuntaro Furukawa said himself that censoring games will be bad to the industry, and Senran Kagura is currently having serious problems with it on PlayStation, Nintendo stopped beign so conservative with adult content since Conker's Bad Fur Day.
Also, for many developers such as PQube, the Switch is also replacing the Vita, and seeing how well it's selling, it's the most logical thing to do.
My expectations is for the Switch to sell about 55 million units as of March 2020, if Switch manages that, it will be officially selling even better than the PS4 in the same life time, which is quite impressive if you take account that all this time Switch wasn't even released in China, still not in India, and Nintendo doesn't have presence in some latin american markets, while Sony does, alongside multiple other variables. Considering that Peach Ball and Reflexions also did well on Switch, I see no reason to not bring the series back to Nintendo.
So, if we want to keep the series alive, we need to make Marvelous know that we will support them on Nintendo Switch by sending a email to them, they even bring out a lot of games on Switch already, and Daemon x Machina is a Switch-Only game from them, it's not even available on PC.