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Post by Dai-T on Sept 30, 2013 8:55:15 GMT -5
Utena (and Penguindrum). Votoms. 12 Kokki. Millenium Actress. Akira. Eva. Cowboy Bebop. Dozens and dozens more. Most old animes were pretty good in the past. There weren't really a lot of problems with them. But I digress. There was lots of crap too. The major difference between new and old anime is that today's anime has completely embraced its niche status. Today's anime is only aimed at otakus, it has lost the popular status it had during the 80s. It's no longer relevant for most people, and it's probably condemned to die. Have you tried watching Nadia (Secret of Blue Water), Sherlock Hound, old Lupin TV series, Future Boy Conan ? Ya I seen most the old classics those are all good. like you said back then it ment something now its only seen as product. thats ok for some stuff but when it starts to affect japan as a whole thats when its a problem.
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Post by Leon Tekashi on Sept 30, 2013 9:15:42 GMT -5
But we're not otakus....Right?
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Post by Dai-T on Sept 30, 2013 9:41:31 GMT -5
But we're not otakus....Right? You help drive the market. but you and everyone on other western boards are small fries compared to the money they make within japan form japan or surrounding asian countries. So while yes you can say you are the problem getting rid of all western otaku is not going to help since they are not relient on the west anymore for sales of most all otaku goods. You buy one hug pillow and wait how many you think the guy that can just walk in the store can buy.
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Post by ialda on Sept 30, 2013 9:44:48 GMT -5
Thanks ! ^^
Note that I don't complain when it's games like Senran Kagura that are made into anime : I love shows where beautiful female characters are depicted as perfectly strong and capable by themselves; it's moe-crap, harem shows where girls are depicted as weak that I despise.
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Post by Leon Tekashi on Sept 30, 2013 9:45:31 GMT -5
I see...It's true but it's a shame. The culture is changing little by little.
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Post by Dai-T on Sept 30, 2013 9:56:48 GMT -5
I see...It's true but it's a shame. The culture is changing little by little. The problem is that its affecting the value of japanese games. today people in japan dont want a game unless its based on an anime or pretty girls in it thats it. this is why so many legendary japanese series are fading. its not that they are bad its that if the try and make a move toward that market they get called out (MGS)but if they do what they keep doing they get labled stale and old. if they went toward how a way japanese gamers are gaming now all western fans would drop the games. all this going on and devs get called stupid and lazy in the west because publishers dont want to give them money for big games because they know 3 small anime games will sell more. They can't win no matter what. better example: old anime tried to be more then just a cartoon and japanese games did the same and it reflects that today anime is about brand and product and japanese games are now about that.
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Post by Leon Tekashi on Sept 30, 2013 10:44:12 GMT -5
Like I said, culture is changing a little.
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Post by GuerrillaBoy on Sept 30, 2013 11:36:51 GMT -5
well i'll recommend some MANimes: Hokuto No Ken(Fist Of The North Star)(my favorite series) Souten No Ken(Fist Of The Blue Sky) the prequel of hokuto no ken Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Baoh Sakigake!! Otokojuku Ninja Scroll(the best ninja anime for me) Golgo 13 The Professional(great anime movie) Baki The Grappler MD Geist
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Post by Dai-T on Sept 30, 2013 12:52:49 GMT -5
well i'll recommend some MANimes: Hokuto No Ken(Fist Of The North Star)(my favorite series) Souten No Ken(Fist Of The Blue Sky) the prequel of hokuto no ken Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Baoh Sakigake!! Otokojuku Ninja Scroll(the best ninja anime for me) Golgo 13 The Professional(great anime movie) Baki The Grappler MD Geist you can add all these to my list they are all official. but those are like must or you can't say you watch anime.
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Post by ialda on Sept 30, 2013 13:02:12 GMT -5
Like I said, culture is changing a little. More exactly, in the case of anime, it's a culture change motivated by the ongoing demographic shift toward an overall older population. Anime has more or less always been intented towards children; products intended towards otaku have begun to appear during the 80s with the OAV business model, then in the 90s with the democratization of series nightly-aired (basicaly, another form of the OAV format : TV diffusion is intended to be an advertisement, it's the sales of derived products and VHS/LD and later DVD/BD which is the drive force behind such adaptation). The 00s have seen TV anime centering more and more toward otakus (it's easy to verify : check TV anime audiences for the last few years, you will see the same children franchises mentioned again and again; to wits, basicaly One Piece, Conan, Precure, Shin-chan, Sazae-san... there hasn't been new blood in this sector for years now). Add to this situation the fact that the western market, which opened itself majorly to japanese animation with the success of Evangelion and Cowboy Bebop (series like Big O and GITS SAC has been produced with western money; series like Witch Hunter Robin or Wolf Rain were arguably conceived to cater as well to western tastes), has not been as profitable as expected (piracy is partially to blame for that, as is the inertia of the companies whiwh were late to adapt to the evolution of the consumming modes of western consummers, ie Internet). So today, we are in a situation where most anime produced is aimed to cater to the otaku market: games, VN or LN adaptations, with a plethora of derived products.
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Post by solaris on Sept 30, 2013 14:18:26 GMT -5
Like I said, culture is changing a little. More exactly, in the case of anime, it's a culture change motivated by the ongoing demographic shift toward an overall older population. Anime has more or less always been intented towards children; products intended towards otaku have begun to appear during the 80s with the OAV business model, then in the 90s with the democratization of series nightly-aired (basicaly, another form of the OAV format : TV diffusion is intended to be an advertisement, it's the sales of derived products and VHS/LD and later DVD/BD which is the drive force behind such adaptation). The 00s have seen TV anime centering more and more toward anime (it's simple to verify : check TV anime audiences for the last few years, you will see the same children franchises mentioned again and again; to wits, basicaly One Piece, Conan, Precure, Shin-chan, Sazae-san... there hasn't been new blood in this sector for years now). Add to this situation the fact that the western market, which opened itself majorly to japanese animation with the success of Evangelion and Cowboy Bebop (series like Big O and GITS SAC has been produced with western money; series like Witch Hunter Robin or Wolf Rain were arguably conceived to cater as well to western tastes), has not been as profitable as expected (piracy is partially to blame for that, as is the inertia of the companies whiwh were late to adapt to the evolution of the consumming modes of western consummers, ie Internet). So today, we are in a situation where most anime produced is aimed to cater to the otaku market: games, VN or LN adaptations, with a plethora of derived products. Well... somethings needs to evolve in order to survive. Sad, but true. Anyhoo, do you already watched Mahou Shoujo Lyrical nanoha? That series is pure gold and worth to watch.
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Post by Leon Tekashi on Sept 30, 2013 14:38:42 GMT -5
Lets just leave it at that ialda. If we're talking about the Mahou Shoujo genre, then I definitely recommend Madoka. It was one of the best animes about 2-3 years ago.
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Post by ialda on Sept 30, 2013 15:03:04 GMT -5
Princess Tutu is way underrated. It's one of the most intelligent mahou shoujo show around, and the most interesting diversion of traditionnal folktales tropes (and the whole theme of storytelling) since Utena. Junichi Sato at his finest. Yes, there is 'princess' in the title. But it's actually good. PS : no, really. PPS : really really !
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Post by Leon Tekashi on Sept 30, 2013 15:08:41 GMT -5
Now hold on, just because it has the word "princess" in it, doensn't mean squat. I'd say don't knock it until you try it. =)
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Post by ialda on Sept 30, 2013 15:12:56 GMT -5
Heck, there are people who are swift to discard a series just because of its name.
As there are people who are prompt to judge a perfectly fine series just because it seems apparently centered on ninjas and fanservice. It's a pain !
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