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Post by Leon Tekashi on Oct 2, 2013 19:11:53 GMT -5
Okay you two, this has gone on long enough actually. If you two want to continue, take it to the PM. Sure I post my thoughts in this but enough is enough.
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Post by Dai-T on Oct 2, 2013 19:24:07 GMT -5
I'm ok. was just giving answers to some of the questions not serious enough for pm anyone about this topic.
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Post by h2foxo on Oct 2, 2013 19:29:05 GMT -5
As long as we're not system bashing here?!
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Post by Mirai on Oct 2, 2013 19:47:21 GMT -5
I just don't get the vitriol Nintendo receives. I grew up with Nintendo consoles so it's almost guaranteed that I'm a little biased. But it's not like Nintendo isn't trying.
How is it possible to hate a whole company though? If Nintendo isn't delivering the experience you seek, but others are, the sensible thing would be to not buy Nintendo products and be done with it. I can understand getting frustrated with their offerings, but to hate them? Nobody is forcing anyone to buy their games or consoles.
Also, very few can produce unique masterpieces every time they make an installment from an established series. Why? It's just not possible. A feature I loved from one iteration could be a source of frustration for someone else. If the next game has that same feature absent, is it alright to feel betrayed even though it would probably enhance the experience for those who hated it? The inverse also holds true. Nostalgia plays a big factor here. In the end though, it would simply mean that they made something which doesn't agree with my tastes. What better way to express dissatisfaction with a product than not buying it? I didn't agree with Paper Mario: Sticker Star's design, so I didn't buy it. But I'm sure others did and enjoyed it. Who's at fault here?
The most important pieces in the chess board of business are the costumers. Without them no company can survive. Even I don't buy their Marios anymore, but clearly they still have their audience in their present form.
Are they without fault? Of course not, they do a lot of things which seems alien to me, like the lack of a unified account on WiiU launch (supposedly it's coming soon...), few heavy hitters at or near launch, or WiiU's lack of identity brought by it's name alone.
Nintendo isn't going to fall the same way Sega did. The circumstances are much too different. If the do fail the WiiU (too early to predict, but certainly possible), they still can return for another gen because of their financial situation, or even turn to handhelds and continue being kings in that market.
Sorry about the above, those words are but the scattered thoughts of a sheltered guy with poor english skills.
EDIT: It seems it took me too long to write this. I apologize if it's no longer appropiate to leave this here, and I'll held no grudge if it needs to be removed.
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Post by Dai-T on Oct 2, 2013 19:58:25 GMT -5
I just don't get the vitriol Nintendo receives. I grew up with Nintendo consoles so it's almost guaranteed that I'm a little biased. But it's not like Nintendo isn't trying. How is it possible to hate a whole company though? If Nintendo isn't delivering the experience you seek, but others are, the sensible thing would be to not buy Nintendo products and be done with it. I can understand getting frustrated with their offerings, but to hate them? Nobody is forcing anyone to buy their games or consoles. Also, very few can produce unique masterpieces every time they make an installment from an established series. Why? It's just not possible. A feature I loved from one iteration could be a source of frustration for someone else. If the next game has that same feature absent, is it alright to feel betrayed even though it would probably enhance the experience for those who hated it? The inverse also holds true. Nostalgia plays a big factor here. In the end though, it would simply mean that they made something which doesn't agree with my tastes. What better way to express dissatisfaction with a product than not buying it? I didn't agree with Paper Mario: Sticker Star's design, so I didn't buy it. But I'm sure others did and enjoyed it. Who's at fault here? The most important pieces in the chess board of business are the costumers. Without them no company can survive. Even I don't buy their Marios anymore, but clearly they still have their audience in their present form. Are they without fault? Of course not, they do a lot of things which seems alien to me, like the lack of a unified account on WiiU launch (supposedly it's coming soon...), few heavy hitters at or near launch, or WiiU's lack of identity brought by it's name alone. Nintendo isn't going to fall the same way Sega did. The circumstances are much too different. If the do fail the WiiU (too early to predict, but certainly possible), they still can return for another gen because of their financial situation, or even turn to handhelds and continue being kings in that market. Sorry about the above, those words are but the scattered thoughts of a sheltered guy with poor english skills. EDIT: It seems it took me too long to write this. I apologize if it's no longer apropiate to leave this here, and I'll held no grudge if it needs to be removed. like I said look at where most the hate comes from and its from reviewrs older then you that started with NES so it hurts them more to see Nintendo struggle so alot they just give up hoping and defending and move on.
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Post by bluevolt on Oct 2, 2013 19:59:48 GMT -5
The game I'm most excited for the Wii U is definitely Mario 3D World, that trailer was fantastic! I was already looking forward to it back in E3 simply because Peach was playable again, but now Nintendo's showed off some things that made me even more excited for it.
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Post by Mirai on Oct 2, 2013 20:25:54 GMT -5
like I said look at where most the hate comes from and its from reviewrs older then you that started with NES so it hurts them more to see Nintendo struggle so alot they just give up hoping and defending and move on. Like it should be. If they feel that Nintendo no longers appeal to them, they are free to move on. Actually my first console was a NES too, so I've seen them succeed and fail multiple times. bluevolt: It's weird. Put back to back, the E3 trailer and the Direct one seems radically different to me. Why did they feel the need to hold back so much? Now I'm actually interested solely because how wacky and colorful it looks.
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Post by Dai-T on Oct 2, 2013 20:29:37 GMT -5
like I said look at where most the hate comes from and its from reviewrs older then you that started with NES so it hurts them more to see Nintendo struggle so alot they just give up hoping and defending and move on. Like it should be. If they feel that Nintendo no longers appeal to them, they need to move on. Actually my first console was a NES too, so I've seen them succeed and fail multiple times. bluevolt: It's weird. Put back to back, the E3 trailer and the Direct one seems radically different to me. Why did they feel the need to hold back so much? Now I'm actually interested solely because how wacky and colorful it looks. . most people say they fixed the game because of the negative feed back from e3. they would have shown that if it looked like that then.
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Post by Mirai on Oct 2, 2013 20:43:49 GMT -5
most people say they fixed the game because of the negative feed back from e3. they would have shown that if it looked like that then. While I can see that being the case, it's still weird. In just a little over 3 months, though?
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Post by Dai-T on Oct 2, 2013 20:46:24 GMT -5
most people say they fixed the game because of the negative feed back from e3. they would have shown that if it looked like that then. While I can see that being the case, it's still weird. In just a little over 3 months, though? It's happend with other games. someone just came in and saved the project or the full team finally got together and what was made before was by a skeleton team.
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Post by TwinTails on Oct 2, 2013 21:03:49 GMT -5
most people say they fixed the game because of the negative feed back from e3. they would have shown that if it looked like that then. I'm surprised at how many people are backtracking their statements about how 3D World is supposed to be mediocre and how it's a rehash of 3D Land and all that. They can just sit and eat their crow for now.
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Post by Leon Tekashi on Oct 2, 2013 21:06:03 GMT -5
I lack a Wii U, I can't really say much about 3D World, plus I haven't played 3D Land yet.
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Post by TwinTails on Oct 2, 2013 21:29:31 GMT -5
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Post by Dai-T on Oct 2, 2013 21:42:27 GMT -5
most people say they fixed the game because of the negative feed back from e3. they would have shown that if it looked like that then. I'm surprised at how many people are backtracking their statements about how 3D World is supposed to be mediocre and how it's a rehash of 3D Land and all that. They can just sit and eat their crow for now. Not really the game did not look good "then" and the demo's were nothing special it still looks like a 3D land game I guess the big change is it looks like they give a damn about the game now. Then just going the NSMB route.
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Post by Leon Tekashi on Oct 2, 2013 21:52:13 GMT -5
Huh, well that's good they changed the formula a little.
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