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Post by Heiji Koumori on Mar 31, 2015 15:02:53 GMT -5
Well if they are talking about waifus that must mean they are into the characters as well and the story in some way so I doubt those people are going to hinder the story or make takaki just say MOAR FANSERVICE! just because they find other ways to be entertained by it that you don't agree with. As for the story concerns you could of went to any warring ninja factions demon battling series other then the likes of naruto I'm sure there are few but you choose the one where fanservice separates it from the others? Idk man if naked anime girls are going to be a great tragedy for me I wouldn't even bother no matter how much I like some of the characters or their designs. Anyway you have your beliefs on the topic so I'll leave it at that, don't want to seem like I'm trying to change your mind just curious about the oddity of the situation. You're gorssly oversimplifying things (and to be honest I found somewhat insulting that "if you wanted to see ninjas fighting demons then you could've picked any other series). I liked SK precisely because there was a story and well developed characters DESPITE the fanservice. The girls have sexy bodies and get into sexy shanenigans but well, that's something entirely natural. Within the game they weren't defined by their bodies, they were defined by their actions and convictions. That make the series stand out (and believe me I've seen my good share of fanservice series and I never finish those) and gave it a great little niche. Upping the fanservice in way so blatant is dissapointing because is turning off a lot peope and essentially, making the fanbase stale. Just see this comment I found on another board I greatly enjoy the series and I want to share with all the people possible so in turns it only makes it bigger and better but this is not the way to do it. And I'm all for people enjoying different stuff but these days the bulk of the fandom is so "poisonous" that they literally pile up on you if you don't like what they like. I know that I'm very harsh and outspoken with my critics but I've never said that people shouldn't bought/enjoy something, just that I don't enjoy it. Oh boy, I'm totally with you. I love SK as a whole. The character design is charming and, of course, full of "life and hometown", that's good, but what make them great characters is the fact that they are unique and that they evolve after each installment. SK without fanservice wouldn't be SK, but SK without his hidden dark story (all this yôma thing) neither. For me, the most enjoyable thing is the charm of the characters and the plot. I'm not into the "waifu" thing. If I only wanted tits and asses there are a lot of other animes, mangas and video games. If SK leaves the "darker" story only by the relative failure of one game... I will be disappointed. By the way, I don't think the serious plot is going to be dumped. Right now Daidouji and Rin are fighting yôma and a lot of characters are in their last year before graduate. Some characters are indeed tied to all the yôma thing and want to become Kagura (not only Daidouji and Rin, but Miyabi and others too). Are they really going to ignore all of this? I doubt it. I think they are going to make a Senran Kagura 3, and after this another Versus and so. The main series with the more serious mood, and the VS with a lot of "waifus".
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Post by [Vitz!] on Mar 31, 2015 15:08:40 GMT -5
I just hope this type of fanservice don't be enough to influence Takaki's artistic liberty because of sales and such.
I'm saying that because it seems at least the creator of the series also cares about the story and it's depth to some extent.
I personally became a fan of the series for a bunch of reasons, but some of the most important is the story. If the quality declines I will also drop the series (at least until I hear they try making better stories again). The story gets a good chunk of the fun for me because it adds a reasonable amount of depth to the series and I like when a game is more than what meets the eye.
More fanservice itself is not the problem by itself, but the possibility that comes with it and the type of people it attracts. Normally people who can't distinguish fanservice from porn or hentai and think that, as long as it has fanservice, it doesn't need a story and people who is so narrow minded that can't accept a series with darkness and also fanservice and the possiblity is what I said before about Takaki losing his artistic liberty.
If the series get too full of this kind of fan we can see a harsh decline in a lot of areas just because in the end our dear artist Takaki has to "pay the bills" and because the publishers will start turning down his idead if he doesn't sell his product.
I would tell him: "If that's the problem then start a kickstarter and I will gladly pay for it", but it is up to him if he will have the "guts" to do so.
I should also say that I'm not the biggest fan of the "waifu" thing since that is too much idealization for a person like me. Of course if there is waifus there is people who truly like the characters but I wouldn't get too far as calling them my "ideal wife". The close as I can get to the "waifu" trend is that, to some extent, I call some characters in the my "role models" and I even "see myself" in others which is a very different thing.
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Post by Arisato on Mar 31, 2015 16:17:01 GMT -5
I greatly enjoy the series and I want to share with all the people possible so in turns it only makes it bigger and better but this is not the way to do it. And I'm all for people enjoying different stuff but these days the bulk of the fandom is so "poisonous" that they literally pile up on you if you don't like what they like. I know that I'm very harsh and outspoken with my critics but I've never said that people shouldn't bought/enjoy something, just that I don't enjoy it. I do agree with everything that you've said... however, that comment you quoted is incredibly stupid. Leaving the saga just for an OVA that can't even be considered canon is a pretty lame and ridicule excuse IMO. To be honest I didn't like that frontal nudity at all, however, that just an OVA and comedy, it's not meant to be taken seriously, Takaki said that the OVA wouldn't have an interesting story and It was there just for the boobs you couldn't expect something better than that. Now, if the videogame series starts with this kind of stuff then is time to panic. If that guy is going to leave just for an OVA, then let it go, he/she is just exaggerating.
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Post by tzitzimine on Mar 31, 2015 16:53:00 GMT -5
The OVA is just the straw that broke the camel's back.
Frankly I'm somewhat desensitized to fanservice and thus, I don't mind the clothing damage cutscenes or the sexy shenanigans or Bon Appetit's dessert cutscenes but I can understand why some people would feel uncomfortable from it.
Senran Kagura has an uphill battle to gain fans outside the circle already familiar with japanese productions so the news of the OVA, an official product meant to tie in with the game featuring full frontal nudity and an excuse plot easily sinks the interest of anyone warming up to the series.
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Post by Boomie on Mar 31, 2015 17:21:29 GMT -5
I'm honestly surprised that it took them so long to finally start showing nipples, but better late than never. Still, I'm a bit shocked that people are so divisive about it.
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Post by Akira on Mar 31, 2015 18:08:18 GMT -5
For me Senran Kagura was the videogame part. People knows here that I do draw sexy busty girls, and seriously, this series helped me to improve a lot as artist and draw the things that I do like the most. This could not been done at the past for many reasons... Everyone knows that Senran Kagura is about the life and hometown, the crazy transformations, the ninjas and the girls. You can get hooked to the series ever more about the girls personalities and their stories. Senran Kagura feels a lot like a 90's Japanese title lost at nowdays, with a colorful cast and being sexy and cool at the same time, I can give many examples of similar titles for these days but this is not the case at all ( I feel so old at here ). People here knows my favorite Senrans, and at here mostly of you too, but yeah sometimes is annoying when it become a circlejerking about "Who is the best waifu" and such, that is why avoid places like in 4chan's /vg/ SK thread and I do like smaller places like this one to show my works and talk about everything. Talking about the OVA, I see that there are many divided opinions at here. I do think they wanted to show frontal nudity to create hype about the game, at the same time playing all their cards over the table to sell the game due how poor did SK2. Marvelous wanted to us to talk about this and create controversy, they succeeded at their marketing.
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Post by cltheo on Mar 31, 2015 18:33:25 GMT -5
Well all this makes me want to buy extra copies and give them away to my anime loves friends to increase sales. I freaking love the series and would hate for Takaki to take the series in directions he might not want. Also he's one of the few multiplatform devs that actually give a crap about the hardware he is working with. While other devs just port over their games to different systems, he keeps each platform exclusive game actually exclusive, so there would be no parity drama. I'm sure SK2 would be good with the vita hardware, but without the 3D it wouldn't be the same since the gameplay has 3d in mind. Hope he doesn't go the Neptunia root and just port over games to PC with little to no innovation.
Guess I'll have to spread some more SK love.
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Post by [Vitz!] on Mar 31, 2015 18:55:14 GMT -5
What's the name of the studio responsible with the animations in Estival Versus?
I personally prefer the old style. They were a lot more worried about the animation itself than to look moe or something.
For instance compare the very first opening made for the very first game and the opening of EV and this OVA.
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Post by thesameguy on Mar 31, 2015 19:03:02 GMT -5
In my opinion, the OVA was nothing for me to speculate about. Just some girls at some resort doing weird things. I wasn't all too bothered by the nudity since I'm one if those guys who are too tolerant at times. But I can see the risks in going to such an extent. Newcomers could definitely get the wrong idea of the series, whether they support or not.
I have had little experience regarding the Waifu thing, but I think it's okay if it doesn't go too far. And it does seem that that is sometimes the case on other online communities.
On the game itself, I do think that the fact that the series has gotten this far is kinda cool. Kenchiro Takaki was a man who wanted to make a game, decided to make it about boobs, and accomplished it despite the risks regarding foreign culture and policies.
Overall, this is just the opinion of an over-tolerant Asian guy in his room eating some ramen so.....yeah.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2015 0:47:47 GMT -5
Well of course man simplified for a simple situation, we are talking about a series made for recreational activity and what it's structured on, not how to feed a village with limited stock. It's not going to be a complication due to a belief in a problem.
Anywho I have pestered you guys long enough with question and inquiries won't bother you anymore and leave you to your discussions of the stories, characters, and and distaste for full frontal ova's
Don't want to come off hostile after all or bring hostility to the thread Good luck to you gentlemen and hope you can enjoy senran kagura for years to come regardless of what's in there that you might have a hate for.
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Post by cltheo on Apr 1, 2015 21:50:13 GMT -5
For the sake up keeping this thread open and on a good note, I do hope another anime adaptation comes from this. I prefer the style of the old studio, but I do hope the series gets a second anime.
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Post by leanmeanlovinmachine on Apr 2, 2015 1:58:09 GMT -5
That'd be nice. Seeing how EV sold well, I'd hope for an SV anime around the time another game comes out if it happens.
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Post by Heiji Koumori on Apr 2, 2015 4:47:24 GMT -5
That'd be nice. Seeing how EV sold well, I'd hope for an SV anime around the time another game comes out if it happens. That's cool but I prefer a SK2 anime. The girls fighting the yôma with a decent animation... I need that!
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Post by tzitzimine on Apr 2, 2015 9:40:54 GMT -5
That'd be nice. Seeing how EV sold well, I'd hope for an SV anime around the time another game comes out if it happens. That's cool but I prefer a SK2 anime. The girls fighting the yôma with a decent animation... I need that! It also would made for a better adaptation. The anime was heavily criticized by not giving all the characters the same depth. Can you imagine the trainwreck it would be with 10 characters more?
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Post by Heiji Koumori on Apr 2, 2015 10:09:41 GMT -5
That's cool but I prefer a SK2 anime. The girls fighting the yôma with a decent animation... I need that! It also would made for a better adaptation. The anime was heavily criticized by not giving all the characters the same depth. Can you imagine the trainwreck it would be with 10 characters more? Seeing how they developed the characters during the anime... they would need two or three times the number of chapters it had. And a series of ovas focused on each character. And a movie. And a secuel. And two light novels. And cheese.
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