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Post by pheonix03 on Jan 27, 2013 0:16:55 GMT -5
Thanks for even more story info zorogou!
On the subject of the story, did Bursts' story ever go into what happened to Suzune/Rin? I'd like to see some closure to her, Daidouji, and Kiriya's bitter past.
On the subject of the New Wave characters, I hope that they get a story in some way, because I find many of them quite interesting in both design and story. Perhaps some of the girls can get their own game. It wouldn't be too difficult for some characters like the ARC Angels or the student ninjas at the schools that aren't Hanzou or Hebijou. Or, perhaps a fighting game or "dream match" game that negates story for pure fanservice. Also, there's always the opportunity for another manga series.
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Post by aniruchan on Jan 27, 2013 8:37:25 GMT -5
i dont think it will be a problem if they graduate.. look at homuras group they are not even part of any school yet they still are part of the story... they are trying to become the strongest ninjas.. thats not something you can achieve just by graduating they still have a long way to go.. they arent even on daidoujis level yet the hebi school got destroyed ? which school is miyabi from ? homura and co. are now like akatsuki huh ? ... that sounds very cool but i cant help worrying about them... i have a feeling that something bad will happen to them as long as they stay rogue ninjas
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Post by zorogou on Jan 27, 2013 9:00:22 GMT -5
Thanks for even more story info zorogou! On the subject of the story, did Bursts' story ever go into what happened to Suzune/Rin? I'd like to see some closure to her, Daidouji, and Kiriya's bitter past. I don't remember Burst ever delving into Rin's past and explaining anything. I feel like playing the game again to make sure. They showed off Kiriya's past in the first game and made a big deal out of it, then in the final mission of Burst when Homura's like "we'll be leaving now after being used by the school", you find out Suzune's real name is Rin. And that's it. Kiriya and Rin never meet in the game for anything to happen. Daidouji doesn't factor into the Rin and Kiriya thing. She's just... an anomaly. the hebi school got destroyed ? which school is miyabi from ? Yes, as the building itself became Orochi with its defeat the school was destroyed. Miyabi is from Hebijou, from before the time of Homura and co as she is 21 years old. As explained in her profile, she was hospitalised for a few years due to an accident and is now returning to Hebijou to restore its honour, the honour it lost having been defeated, destroyed by Hanzou and Orochi's revival, etc.
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Post by Dai-T on Jan 27, 2013 9:26:52 GMT -5
But daidouji is his student also. We know nothing if they are rivals but we do know daidouji passed the finaly exam in her first semester on her first try but what about Rin?
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Post by aniruchan on Jan 27, 2013 9:32:41 GMT -5
Thanks for even more story info zorogou! On the subject of the story, did Bursts' story ever go into what happened to Suzune/Rin? I'd like to see some closure to her, Daidouji, and Kiriya's bitter past. I don't remember Burst ever delving into Rin's past and explaining anything. I feel like playing the game again to make sure. They showed off Kiriya's past in the first game and made a big deal out of it, then in the final mission of Burst when Homura's like "we'll be leaving now after being used by the school", you find out Suzune's real name is Rin. And that's it. Kiriya and Rin never meet in the game for anything to happen. Daidouji doesn't factor into the Rin and Kiriya thing. She's just... an anomaly. the hebi school got destroyed ? which school is miyabi from ? Yes, as the building itself became Orochi with its defeat the school was destroyed. Miyabi is from Hebijou, from before the time of Homura and co as she is 21 years old. As explained in her profile, she was hospitalised for a few years due to an accident and is now returning to Hebijou to restore its honour, the honour it lost having been defeated, destroyed by Hanzou and Orochi's revival, etc. so they are not part of any school too.. they just cant stand the fact that their beloved school lost... omg miyabi ftw i love her even more now.. but she probably wont be able to do it because restoring the honour of the hebi school means that she has to defeat asuka which again isnt possible because shes the main character... but can asuka handle yumi and miyabi at the same time ? thats the point where homura will step in(most likely)... maybe she will go for homuras group first to punish them because they lost.. who knows... damn i want to play this game NOW -.-
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Post by pheonix03 on Jan 27, 2013 9:53:24 GMT -5
How was Suzune's presence in Burst? Was she as prominent as Kiriya, or was she more of an enigma like Daidouji? I also wonder what her relationship with the girls was like, as her profile makes it seem like she really cared for them; as a result, would it be safe to assume that she went with Homura's group after Hebijou fell, or is at least looking out for them?
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Post by zorogou on Jan 27, 2013 11:17:19 GMT -5
But daidouji is his student also. We know nothing if they are rivals but we do know daidouji passed the finaly exam in her first semester on her first try but what about Rin? What I meant by 'anomaly' is that she's just the odd one out in this series in that she's a powerhouse and is kinda central to the girl's growth but she does bugger all until the very last mission. I don't think she's Rin's rival because she wasn't mentioned at all in Kiriya's backstory. I know we still don't know Daidouji's age but I think she came after Rin so is around the 21-24 range. Rin is 26 so it would've been 8 years since Kiriya though she had died. Rin was in her final year and taking the graduation mission/exam if I recall correctly. That leaves plenty of time for Daidouji to enter the story. so they are not part of any school too.. they just cant stand the fact that their beloved school lost... omg miyabi ftw i love her even more now.. but she probably wont be able to do it because restoring the honour of the hebi school means that she has to defeat asuka which again isnt possible because shes the main character... but can asuka handle yumi and miyabi at the same time ? thats the point where homura will step in(most likely)... maybe she will go for homuras group first to punish them because they lost.. who knows... damn i want to play this game NOW -.- No, Miyabi, Imu and the new Hebijou are all students of Hebijou. Miyabi and Imu were hostpitalised, with Miyabi losing her memories, so they had to postpone their "studies". Imu wasn't as bad as Miyabi and recovered quicker but as she's all yuri for Miyabi she quit school to look after Miyabi. When Miyabi regained her memories (and most likely found out about Hebijou) she went back. From her audio clips and a few pictures you can tell she's a 'serious' type and so she probably decided to go back to Hebijou as soon as she regained her memories. I believe Miyabi will join in this School Festival wanting to defeat Hanzou and Gessen to display Hebijou's power, and also they want to defeat Homura and co for what they did/show that they're weak and Hebijou's defeat was because of their weakness. But my bet is that Miyabi wants to deal with Homura after defeating Hanzou and Gessen so she puts that on hold. However, Homura seeing that it's now 2 v 1 in the School Festival comes and helps out Asuka. That's the way I think the story will go. How was Suzune's presence in Burst? Was she as prominent as Kiriya, or was she more of an enigma like Daidouji? I also wonder what her relationship with the girls was like, as her profile makes it seem like she really cared for them; as a result, would it be safe to assume that she went with Homura's group after Hebijou fell, or is at least looking out for them? To be honest I can't remember much. Either that was because she had a few novel sections I couldn't understand or she just didn't appear much to leave an impression on me. As she is their teacher she had more of a presence than Daidouji but I don't remember her doing as much as Kiriya. She did care for the girls but I think her position as the teacher came before them (you lose you die mentality of the school and all) as she didn't leave the school with them. The very last key mission in the game is Suzune essentially saying "my name is actually Rin, fight me to show how much you've grown and to see if you'll be able to survive on your own". Homura's out somewhere, Rin appears before her.
Suzune: The battle with Hanzou. The battle with Orochi. Both were splendid. Homura: Suzune-sensei Suzune: Don't call me that name anymore. You guys aren't students anymore. Homura: ... okay Suzune: From now on call me Rin. *Rin changes into ninja gear* Homura: eh? Rin: Prepare yourself Homura. Draw your swords. You guys are now rogue ninja. People will be after your lives. If you can't beat me now you won't be able to survive from here on. Homura: Even if you say that, to fight with my teacher... Rin: If you refuse I'll cut you down, a rogue ninja should always be prepared! Homura: ... I understand. Okay, please fight with me! Rin: Well said! "超と呼ばれる死の美たれ" (her phrase before battle) Homura: Homura, "悪の定めに舞い殉じよう" (her phrase, something like "sacrifice myself for the sake of evil" but I dunno)
Then they all fight. Before each fight Rin says something to each girl. I can't understand it that well without replaying it a few times but I believe Rin is just commending them on each of their good points, how they've changed after everything that's happened, telling them to live on with their own beliefs. She says something like "you've made some good friends" to Mirai.
Homura: *panting after a hard battle* We won! We beat our teacher! Rin: You did good. It wasn't just a fluke that you took down Orochi. But, the path of a rogue ninja is tough, you should aim to improve your strength further. Homura: Yes, Rin-sensei. Rin: I said you didn't need the "sensei" ... No .... Actually, you can call me that if you want. Even if you are now rogue ninja, it won't change that you were once my students. Well then. Good bye my students.
*Rin disappears*
Homura: Thank you very much. We will never forget what you have taught us.
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After replaying that level damn is Rin weak. She was much easier to defeat than Daidouji was in the first game. It's probably due to the game's balance but it was quite funny how much damage each of the girls did. For comparison, Asuka against Daidouji at level 50 would take me more than 2 minutes. Homura against Rin just now at level 50 took me about 30 seconds.
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Post by aniruchan on Jan 27, 2013 12:11:28 GMT -5
No, Miyabi, Imu and the new Hebijou are all students of Hebijou. Miyabi and Imu were hostpitalised, with Miyabi losing her memories, so they had to postpone their "studies". Imu wasn't as bad as Miyabi and recovered quicker but as she's all yuri for Miyabi she quit school to look after Miyabi. When Miyabi regained her memories (and most likely found out about Hebijou) she went back. From her audio clips and a few pictures you can tell she's a 'serious' type and so she probably decided to go back to Hebijou as soon as she regained her memories. but wasnt hebijou destroyed ? how can they be students of a school that doesnt exist.. did they rebuild it ?
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Post by FlamingYu on Jan 27, 2013 12:20:10 GMT -5
No, Miyabi, Imu and the new Hebijou are all students of Hebijou. Miyabi and Imu were hostpitalised, with Miyabi losing her memories, so they had to postpone their "studies". Imu wasn't as bad as Miyabi and recovered quicker but as she's all yuri for Miyabi she quit school to look after Miyabi. When Miyabi regained her memories (and most likely found out about Hebijou) she went back. From her audio clips and a few pictures you can tell she's a 'serious' type and so she probably decided to go back to Hebijou as soon as she regained her memories. but wasnt hebijou destroyed ? how can they be students of a school that doesnt exist.. did they rebuild it ? The school is gone, not the school's name. They can always rebuild it, even if it's just a small house / hut it can still be consider as a school ;D It's best to wait for Shinovi Versus to explain with more details. zorogou has been answering your questions based on his POV on the game and all the info that have been released. I don't think he knows stuff that isn't even out.
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Post by zorogou on Jan 27, 2013 12:32:47 GMT -5
Like flamingyu said, a school is more than its building when you think in terms of ninjas and their allegiances.
Plus it's not just ninja girls at a school, there are many things working in the background and many adults keeping everything afloat. I've already talked about that Dougen fellow that got cut down by Homura, he was Hebijou's financial backer. I'm sure in the 6 month gap between the stories of each game a new building could have been built with a new financial backer in place.
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Post by pheonix03 on Jan 27, 2013 17:33:20 GMT -5
Thanks again for the detailed reply zorogou!
I hope Suzune/Rin aren't forgotten in future games. They don't have to be major parts of the story, but it'd be cool to have them as the "over-powered" characters. Daidouji is in the classroom in Shinovi Versus, so hopefully that means she'll be playable.
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Post by Dai-T on Jan 27, 2013 20:11:36 GMT -5
Thanks again for the detailed reply zorogou! I hope Suzune/Rin aren't forgotten in future games. They don't have to be major parts of the story, but it'd be cool to have them as the "over-powered" characters. Daidouji is in the classroom in Shinovi Versus, so hopefully that means she'll be playable. I doubt they ever go in to detail on them because they always come in last with the polls which means alot of people are just not intrested in them. There was talk of them getting a manga but that was before SKV was announced so I guess that prodject got dropped.
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Post by Hinata on Jan 27, 2013 23:46:15 GMT -5
Wow, this is some crucial info. Now, this is why we need these games localized
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Post by ialda on Jan 28, 2013 8:17:09 GMT -5
Didn't see this topic before, great idea ! It's a shame to see SK's plot being reduced to just T&A with the dramatic and emotional turn taken by the events toward the end of the game. Thanks zorogou for the translations ! If some people are interested to know more about the plot, you can find several blog posts on the jp web from people playing the game, sometimes with extract from the dialogues included. This one for example. Very informative stuff.
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Post by pheonix03 on Jan 28, 2013 21:56:30 GMT -5
A story-related (?) question: what is the situation with the sword that Homura never uses? I assume it's important because of augen's sig, heh.
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