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Post by sl68 on Mar 4, 2013 10:40:56 GMT -5
Because Burst is the last of Senran Kagura you'll see on 3DS. The Vita game, which without a doubt is of much higher quality, outsold both 3DS games combined:
Shinovi Versus: more than 120,000
Burst: 60,000
Original: 50,000
So which platform do you think Senran Kagura will end up on in the future?
"But Takaki promised Senran Kagura main series would stay on 3DS!"
Takaki is a shitty liar. MAQL developed low budget titles for 3DS and a high budget title for Vita, in tandem with the anime. Of course the Vita game is going to sell better when they treat it like that.
"But 3DS wouldn't be able to handle Shinovi Versus!"
Bullshit. Kid Icarus: Uprising looks as good (if not better) and has a stable framerate. If MAQL had dedicated more money and more time on the 3DS games, they could've had all the features of Shinovi Versus.
This is the biggest, full-of-shitty-lies betrayal since Monster Hunter 4. Now I understand how Monter Hunter fans on Vita feels.
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Post by azureedge on Mar 4, 2013 11:50:40 GMT -5
The sad part is, you're probably right. I don't know about where the series goes and all that, to be honest I don't really care too much. I just want to see Burst come overseas, which at this point isn't looking like it's going to happen. So yeah, we're out of luck.
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Post by sl68 on Mar 4, 2013 12:07:51 GMT -5
The sad part is, you're probably right. I don't know about where the series goes and all that, to be honest I don't really care too much. I just want to see Burst come overseas, which at this point isn't looking like it's going to happen. So yeah, we're out of luck. There's way too much pedophilia influences in these games - no western publisher would dare to touch them, and as far as I know, MAQL doesn't have offices in Europe and the US. They have to rely on a publisher to release the Kagura games here. Not to mention, I doubt either Nintendo or Sony would approve the content for their digital stores in the west. |
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Post by Yomi on Mar 4, 2013 16:46:49 GMT -5
Ignoring the supreme level of U mad that's radiating, I can see this series going all over the place, hitting on all consoles, Takaki wants to put a SK game on Steam in the future, Gabe's probably scared to death hearing he wants to put the epitome of fanservice on the console level on Steam and maybe I'm completely wrong and he's waiting for it so he can get money (he can pull those strings to get it on there somehow).
Lets see
Senran Kagura & SKB: 3DS
Senran Kagura New Wave: IOS/Android
Senran Kagura Shinovi Versus: Vita
PC, PS3, PS4, WiiU are all viable systems the next ones could be on.
As for the console game, only the 3DS games have a chance, the Vita game has no chance, this is near Steam Heart's tier content which is the stuff of localization teams' worst nightmares.
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Post by sl68 on Mar 4, 2013 17:32:02 GMT -5
I don't think you understand. I don't care if it's released even for the 360, I just can't stand Takaki's lies. When you promise something, you should make sure you're able to keep that promise, otherwise shut the fuck up and don't make a promise.
"Look 3DS owners, the sequel will have this and this and this!"
"What? Burst, a sequel? LOL. Shinovi Versus is the sequel, but I call it a spin-off to save my sorry, lying ass."
Yours truly, Kenichiro Takaki
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Post by TwinTails on Mar 4, 2013 17:32:18 GMT -5
Dude, could you not use so much S-bombs next time? You curse like a sailor. I'm getting conflicting vibes from you on whether your bashing 3DS fans or bashing MAQL's business practices. Now that that's outta the way, I spotted some counter arguments in your post. The reason the Vita game might have sold so well is because the anime is out (and on it's 9th episode) and the Vita just received a price cut. On top of that, the New Wave game has been out for awhile, giving the series enough time to gain more publicity. The 3DS games were more of an experiment if I recall correctly back when we were on XSeed's boards and Takaki didn't know how well the series would do. Also, I doubt the games would be that devastating if brought overseas, we already have games like Hyperdimension Neptunia and Ar Tonileco. Hell I even checked out Code of Princess and thought it was decent but my Game Stop didn't stock it because it wasn't "mainstream". I swear they only stock dude-bro fps games anyway.  XSeed certainly expressed interest in bringing over the games but we haven't heard a peep out of them. They even told us they thought the games were fun. |
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Post by sl68 on Mar 4, 2013 17:39:03 GMT -5
Dude, could you not use so much S-bombs next time? You curse like a sailor. I'm getting conflicting vibes from you on whether your bashing 3DS fans or bashing MAQL's business practices. Now that that's outta the way, I spotted some counter arguments in your post. The reason the Vita game might have sold so well is because the anime is out (and on it's 9th episode) and the Vita just received a price cut. On top of that, the New Wave game has been out for awhile, giving the series enough time to gain more publicity. The 3DS games were more of an experiment if I recall correctly back when we were on XSeed's boards and Takaki didn't know how well the series would do. Also, I doubt the games would be that devastating if brought overseas, we already have games like Hyperdimension Neptunia and Ar Tonileco. Hell I even checked out Code of Princess and thought it was decent but my Game Stop didn't stock it because it wasn't "mainstream". I swear they only stock dude-bro fps games anyway. XSeed certainly expressed interest in bringing over the games but we haven't heard a peep out of them. They even told us they thought the games were fun. Of course those are valid reasons too, but in the end it comes down to quality. You can't deny that MAQL poured more money and time into their first Vita Kagura title than they did on either 3DS titles. The first 3DS title was testing waters. Just like how Shinovi Versus is testing waters on the Vita platform. The DIFFERENCE is that MAQL made Shinovi Versus into a much better game than either of the 3DS titles - pretty impressive for just testing waters, wouldn't you say? Why didn't they give Burst the same treatment, despite promising new features a year earlier? About western release: Code of Princess don't have sexualised loli characters with zoom ins on what little boobs and butts they have. Of course Xseed expressed "interest, but they'll never touch it with the content it has now. And that goes for both the 3DS and Vita games. |
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Post by Yomi on Mar 4, 2013 17:45:47 GMT -5
I can forgive the false promises if it gives me a better product somewhere down the line (which happened twice, moreso in Shinovi Versus), that's just how corporations and business works.
Xseed's scared to death that's why you haven't heard anything from them. Also, Code of Princess isn't a fanservice game, just because the main is skimpily dressed doesn't mean it's a fanservice game (that would mean Tomb Raider would be a fanservice game).
Gamestop sucks these days so I'm not surprised, they only want FPS oversaturation in most of their stores unless it's from Nintendo and even that is no guarantee.
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Post by koutoru on Mar 4, 2013 18:37:44 GMT -5
From what I can tell, Xseed has never actually localized any ecchi games before, and despite what Tom says about their views at Xseed, you would have to imagine that they would hesitate before deciding to localize something like senran kagura.
After these sales numbers though, I wouldn't be surprised if even Atlus was interested in picking up senran kagura .
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Post by sl68 on Mar 5, 2013 4:33:01 GMT -5
I can forgive the false promises if it gives me a better product somewhere down the line (which happened twice, moreso in Shinovi Versus), that's just how corporations and business works. Xseed's scared to death that's why you haven't heard anything from them. Also, Code of Princess isn't a fanservice game, just because the main is skimpily dressed doesn't mean it's a fanservice game (that would mean Tomb Raider would be a fanservice game). Gamestop sucks these days so I'm not surprised, they only want FPS oversaturation in most of their stores unless it's from Nintendo and even that is no guarantee. So you excuse his lies because... he makes a better game? Is that it? Then why do Bayonetta fans have such a hard time excusing Platinum for developing Bayo 2 as a Wii U exclusive? It's about TRUST and LOYALTY! And neither Takaki or MAQL seem to have any idea what that means. Neither do you. Please answer me this: If you go out in a Nintendo Dream interview in fall 2011 and talk about new featurs for a sequel, and then incorporate those features into a Vita sequel while the 3DS owners gets a half-baked remake in fall 2012, how do you not understand the rage on loyal 3DS owners? Why do you keep making excuses for Takaki and MAQL, when the betrayal is so obvious? The only reason I can see is that you're either a Sony/Vita fanboy or didn't import and own a Japanese 3DS along with the Kagura titles in the first place. |
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Post by Yomi on Mar 5, 2013 12:06:48 GMT -5
I can forgive the false promises if it gives me a better product somewhere down the line (which happened twice, moreso in Shinovi Versus), that's just how corporations and business works. Xseed's scared to death that's why you haven't heard anything from them. Also, Code of Princess isn't a fanservice game, just because the main is skimpily dressed doesn't mean it's a fanservice game (that would mean Tomb Raider would be a fanservice game). Gamestop sucks these days so I'm not surprised, they only want FPS oversaturation in most of their stores unless it's from Nintendo and even that is no guarantee. So you excuse his lies because... he makes a better game? Is that it? Then why do Bayonetta fans have such a hard time excusing Platinum for developing Bayo 2 as a Wii U exclusive? It's about TRUST and LOYALTY! And neither Takaki or MAQL seem to have any idea what that means. Neither do you. Please answer me this: If you go out in a Nintendo Dream interview in fall 2011 and talk about new featurs for a sequel, and then incorporate those features into a Vita sequel while the 3DS owners gets a half-baked remake in fall 2012, how do you not understand the rage on loyal 3DS owners? Why do you keep making excuses for Takaki and MAQL, when the betrayal is so obvious? The only reason I can see is that you're either a Sony/Vita fanboy or didn't import and own a Japanese 3DS along with the Kagura titles in the first place. The more you speak on this, the more you are just butthurt, you have to remember, Nintendo is more strict on content still (it's nowhere as bad as 10-15 years ago, but it's still there), having SKV on a Sony system enables Takaki and MAQL take more risks and overall it succeeded, he can't play safe forever, no business would succeed by playing it safe 100% of the time. I've also stated this before but MAQL could've thought that the Japanese fanbase would be interested in or already owned a Vita (I had a Vita prior to the announcement, although it didn't get much playtime until Gundam Seed Battle Destiny). Those reasons are incorrect, I'm not a Sony Fanboy and I did import the first two games, I follow where the good imports are so I do have a Japanese 3DS and explains my almost constant concerns for things such as mobile gaming taking over and region locking (look up some of my posts on next gen, they contain those concerns). |
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Post by sl68 on Mar 5, 2013 13:01:21 GMT -5
So you excuse his lies because... he makes a better game? Is that it? Then why do Bayonetta fans have such a hard time excusing Platinum for developing Bayo 2 as a Wii U exclusive? It's about TRUST and LOYALTY! And neither Takaki or MAQL seem to have any idea what that means. Neither do you. Please answer me this: If you go out in a Nintendo Dream interview in fall 2011 and talk about new featurs for a sequel, and then incorporate those features into a Vita sequel while the 3DS owners gets a half-baked remake in fall 2012, how do you not understand the rage on loyal 3DS owners? Why do you keep making excuses for Takaki and MAQL, when the betrayal is so obvious? The only reason I can see is that you're either a Sony/Vita fanboy or didn't import and own a Japanese 3DS along with the Kagura titles in the first place. The more you speak on this, the more you are just butthurt, you have to remember, Nintendo is more strict on content still (it's nowhere as bad as 10-15 years ago, but it's still there), having SKV on a Sony system enables Takaki and MAQL take more risks and overall it succeeded, he can't play safe forever, no business would succeed by playing it safe 100% of the time. I've also stated this before but MAQL could've thought that the Japanese fanbase would be interested in or already owned a Vita (I had a Vita prior to the announcement, although it didn't get much playtime until Gundam Seed Battle Destiny). Those reasons are incorrect, I'm not a Sony Fanboy and I did import the first two games, I follow where the good imports are so I do have a Japanese 3DS and explains my almost constant concerns for things such as mobile gaming taking over and region locking (look up some of my posts on next gen, they contain those concerns). You have no idea what you're talking about confirmed. Nintendo doesn't check content of third party games unless they're extreme (like heavy religious content that could offend large amounts of people), they let Cero do that. You know there's a 3DS game called If I was with a girl in a sealed room, I'd probably XXX. That game is even "worse" than either Kagura games when it comes to lolis and moe. For example, in one sequence you use the microphone to blow bubbles off a dangerously young girl's body after she has showered. Nothing nude, but almost. I find it funny that so many people here act happy that Senran Kagura is leaving Nintendo hardware. As I've stated before, I have no problem with games being on Vita, Ps3, Xbox and whatever, but it's how Takaki and MAQL handled this whole affair that makes me angry and disappointed. However, many people here seem downright happy that Kagra is going to Sony consoles now - why is that? Is region locking the only reason, or are there a lot of Sony/Vita fanboys? |
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Post by TwinTails on Mar 5, 2013 17:17:29 GMT -5
You have no idea what you're talking about confirmed. Nintendo doesn't check content of third party games unless they're extreme (like heavy religious content that could offend large amounts of people), they let Cero do that. You know there's a 3DS game called If I was with a girl in a sealed room, I'd probably XXX. That game is even "worse" than either Kagura games when it comes to lolis and moe. For example, in one sequence you use the microphone to blow bubbles off a dangerously young girl's body after she has showered. Nothing nude, but almost. I find it funny that so many people here act happy that Senran Kagura is leaving Nintendo hardware. As I've stated before, I have no problem with games being on Vita, Ps3, Xbox and whatever, but it's how Takaki and MAQL handled this whole affair that makes me angry and disappointed. However, many people here seem downright happy that Kagra is going to Sony consoles now - why is that? Is region locking the only reason, or are there a lot of Sony/Vita fanboys? Please stop calling everyone fanboys. I know where your coming from and I know how that makes you feel (I feel the same way at times) but you have to use a more respectful diction. No one here is a fanboy except me at times, and I defend Nintendo with fangs and claws. Now maybe if he decides to go back to the 3DS since he knows where to go with the series now (the first game was an experiment) we'll see if that game does as good or if not, better than the Vita game but he hasn't said anything about it yet. Maybe they're trying something new with every system, so we could see a game on the Wii U, then the PS4 and so on. They even have an IOS game out. So maybe it's too early to curse the man's name, only time will tell. |
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Post by h2foxo on Mar 5, 2013 17:31:57 GMT -5
The more you speak on this, the more you are just butthurt, you have to remember, Nintendo is more strict on content still (it's nowhere as bad as 10-15 years ago, but it's still there), having SKV on a Sony system enables Takaki and MAQL take more risks and overall it succeeded, he can't play safe forever, no business would succeed by playing it safe 100% of the time. I've also stated this before but MAQL could've thought that the Japanese fanbase would be interested in or already owned a Vita (I had a Vita prior to the announcement, although it didn't get much playtime until Gundam Seed Battle Destiny). Those reasons are incorrect, I'm not a Sony Fanboy and I did import the first two games, I follow where the good imports are so I do have a Japanese 3DS and explains my almost constant concerns for things such as mobile gaming taking over and region locking (look up some of my posts on next gen, they contain those concerns). You have no idea what you're talking about confirmed. Nintendo doesn't check content of third party games unless they're extreme (like heavy religious content that could offend large amounts of people), they let Cero do that. You know there's a 3DS game called If I was with a girl in a sealed room, I'd probably XXX. That game is even "worse" than either Kagura games when it comes to lolis and moe. For example, in one sequence you use the microphone to blow bubbles off a dangerously young girl's body after she has showered. Nothing nude, but almost. I find it funny that so many people here act happy that Senran Kagura is leaving Nintendo hardware. As I've stated before, I have no problem with games being on Vita, PS3, Xbox and whatever, but it's how Takaki and MAQL handled this whole affair that makes me angry and disappointed. However, many people here seem downright happy that Kagra is going to Sony consoles now - why is that? Is region locking the only reason, or are there a lot of Sony/Vita fanboys? To be fair alot of that was discussed and expressed on the xseed forums before SIA was made. I guess it just felt like old news by the time we reached here or maybe didn't feel sorry angry as time passed. Most of the original members are for the 3DS game and own a 3DS, the 3 staff members all own a 3DS and I believe not a VITA, the people who post the most here own a 3DS so I don't think so. Me personally yes i am a massive fan-boy, senran kagura fan-boy that is and just want SK to come to Europe and us like it deserves, yes that includes VS, yes that includes New Wave, yes that includes the mangas, the merchandise OK that can stay in japan and would be an actual risk. I cant get too mad at Takaki, yes he broke promises, yes the next game changed consoles, yes it received the missing things, but the fact is Burst is an amazing game never mind good, with improvements including the biggest request 3D locker, so it is difficult for me to get mad when the end product was still so amazing. FYI both my other 2 favorite series have lied to me or let me down in an area big time but what I got was still great so I couldn't stay mad. P.s Regarding the 120k sale you would be surprised how many people I've seen saying their pre-ordering or importing VS. Plus one thing I haven't seen mentioned is that the major SK fans and fans who already owned a VITA would have got VS too, people are way more willing to get another console for a series they love compared to a series they never played but looked good. If i was in japan i would have also done the same and bought a VITA for VS. But again I dont know what happens next especially considering the PS3 trophy issue. Senran Kagura: The Movie! lol |
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