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Post by tzitzimine on Apr 16, 2015 14:34:39 GMT -5
Really. SK is about fanservice and ninjas fighting bad guys and demons or whatever. I honestly think they'll just stick in one timeline, EVs I think cause Yumi and some others are really popular. Maybe Kagura only is in one universe or something and SK2 was to show what she could do for when she comes into the other timeline? That or I'm leaning that it's just a cleanup job to stick to one story seeing as Estival didnt have multiple stories but one instead. dimension stuff is almost as bad a trope as time traveling is that I can only stand in comedy situations. I'm sorry but the fact you don't like the trope is very different to the trope itself being bad. Plenty of examples abound showing that is a good (if somewhat complex) narrative tool. And if the intention was a clean up job, why acknowledge it at all? Why not simply sweep it under the rug as it has been suggested plenty of times before? And really, if you are so against the idea you can simply ignore any hypotetical game not following Versus' story with ease.
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Post by Seventh on Apr 16, 2015 14:35:47 GMT -5
There is no main storyline, apparently two. I dont get those that call SV a spinoff when it seems to have its own thing. Bon Appetit fits the definition of a spinoff. They address this apparently in EV where they talk about SK2's supposed ending. Depends on how you want to talk about spinoffs. If SV hadn't gotten a sequel, I'd call it a spinoff - now, maybe you could call it a subseries or a series of spinoffs. It just depends. For a story that was meant to be able to close in itself they sure let a lot of holes in it. Specially after Orochi appears. I don't think they REALLY wanted to make the first game as a stand alone considering this. They could even say that thing you said officially, but in the end they could be just lying. :v It had a lot of holes way before Orochi. Burst just wasn't written well. Right now we have for sure that a multiverse exists on Senran Kagura and that there's at least two main storylines, the only thing we can do now is speculate where the series will go now. While I'm not looking at spoilers, I think it might be best not to put too much thought into this just yet. The Neptunia fanbase does this over things that have extremely simple answers and it's all really just speculation - until it's elaborated on or truly touched on in the games in some way, or never is at all, then I think maybe it might be better to leave it be? Though I do remember there being talk of SK2 being placed somewhere in a timeline involving SV. Who's to say EV just doesn't take place after SK2 and it's as simple as that? Just to clarify: I didn't say that the Hebijo story in SV is non-canon, I just said is a separate canon from the 3DS games. Regarding games with multiple storylines in themselves, if they don't tie together (like Sonic Adventure) then I don't know if I'd necessarily call those alternate universes unless the game pulls a BlazBlue or Higurashi regarding those specifically - they'll often either pick one to be the "true" end (as I think EV did with one of SV's?) or, come the next game, mesh them all together and imply a little of everything happened. Multiple storylines can just be used to have multiple storylines and are meant more to be what ifs or just other stories rather than anything overly significant. I know I prefer one universe and hope thats where it's going after EV. If they have to pull something like Kagura or someone from another universe, fine. I just dont want games taking place in multiple universes. Because I think thats kind of stupid and messy. I think it depends on how they do it. There's a lot of potential to do some really creative things with the idea, but it just depends on the execution. I'd say Neptunia is a great example of how it's done well, but people overthink it and lump things together there that shouldn't be. Personally I think is fantastic and is kind of the trend these days. The fandom lost their minds when the return of Jack Atlas and Crow was confirmed for Arc-V, KR Decade is one of the most well received series (same as the Power Rangers equivalent) And as [Vitz!] mentioned, it gives options to the fanbase to enjoy the franchise regardless what is the biggest appeal for them. Wasn't the Power Rangers equivalent really bad? Unless you mean Gokaiger to Sentai, that's got a good reputation. That said, I... dunno if I'd call Decade well received myself considering the reputation that has, but I guess it's popular enough to some - and Gokaiger is definitely liked enough. Though I'm not sure if anniversary crossovers can really be counted in the same category, to be fair, since those were done for special occasions? It's not like Mario being Smash makes Mario part of a multiverse, and with Kamen Rider, outside of Decade, one can easily make the argument all those things are self-contained on their own and the multiverse stuff only exists in a separate crossover "canon" anyway.
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Post by Dai-T on Apr 16, 2015 14:37:16 GMT -5
it is SK2 then SV/EV. this is the corrections SK2 suppose to do with it's story. first game and bust have been axed. if it worked is up for debate. c Come again? SK2 is in the same universe as SK2? Didnt you play it and see the ending of it? How is burst axed? retelling of burst story with big changes to keep the line going for SV because SV was out.
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Post by Dai-T on Apr 16, 2015 14:38:50 GMT -5
it is SK2 then SV/EV. this is the corrections SK2 suppose to do with it's story. first game and bust have been axed. if it worked is up for debate. Come to think about it, wouldn't Bon Appetit come after Shinovi Versus? spin off.
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Post by leanmeanlovinmachine on Apr 16, 2015 14:39:13 GMT -5
Really. SK is about fanservice and ninjas fighting bad guys and demons or whatever. I honestly think they'll just stick in one timeline, EVs I think cause Yumi and some others are really popular. Maybe Kagura only is in one universe or something and SK2 was to show what she could do for when she comes into the other timeline? That or I'm leaning that it's just a cleanup job to stick to one story seeing as Estival didnt have multiple stories but one instead. dimension stuff is almost as bad a trope as time traveling is that I can only stand in comedy situations. I'm sorry but the fact you don't like the trope is very different to the trope itself being bad. Plenty of examples abound showing that is a good (if somewhat complex) narrative tool. And if the intention was a clean up job, why acknowledge it at all? Why not simply sweep it under the rug as it has been suggested plenty of times before? And really, if you are so against the idea you can simply ignore any hypotetical game not following Versus' story with ease. They brought it up cause they needed to explain what SK2 was. Not acknowledging it is just stupid. I'm not against there being a multiverse. I just want the games to take place in one of them. If SK2 ends as you say it seems pretty self contained.
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Post by tzitzimine on Apr 16, 2015 15:37:54 GMT -5
They brought it up cause they needed to explain what SK2 was. Not acknowledging it is just stupid. I'm not against there being a multiverse. I just want the games to take place in one of them. If SK2 ends as you say it seems pretty self contained. Why ignore SK2 entirely would be stupid? Retcons exist No game has ever acknowledged Bon Appetit, or the different versions told of the first Hebijo/Hanzo fight from the mangas or the version told by the anime. And SK2 is a self contained story, Takaki said it himself
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Post by Seventh on Apr 16, 2015 15:54:06 GMT -5
I'm... not really sure why that matters? Most games have self-contained stories to some degree - it's basic business sense to do that so that you don't put off newcomers by requiring them to get other entries of the series to understand what's going on. Even games with bigger stories that are/have direct sequels, like BlazBlue, still have an overall story in each game that's self-contained like that. Now a self-contained game's ending could still end with a cliffhanger if the consequences of that self-contained story resolving lead to cliffhanger worthy circumstances, but that's something that'll vary from cast to cast. No game has ever acknowledged Bon Appetit, or the different versions told of the first Hebijo/Hanzo fight from the mangas or the version told by the anime. BA is one thing, but is anyone actually expecting anything from the adaptations to ever be acknowledged?
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Post by tzitzimine on Apr 16, 2015 16:39:18 GMT -5
Not really, just pointing out that ignoring entries on the franchise isn't nothing new and the fact they did acknowledge SK2 on Estival means that they have some sort of plan in place.
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Post by leanmeanlovinmachine on Apr 16, 2015 19:00:03 GMT -5
Dekamori is a spin off. They literally say it's bullshit right at the beginning before playing.
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Post by Akira on Apr 16, 2015 20:10:24 GMT -5
About the multiverse thing and such, as you people are saying in videogames you can retcon everything, to introduce a new thematic, characters or tell a new storyline. 3DS games have their own story based heavily in storyline and characters past, and Vita games are more about the character interactions, using both as guide for the future games. One of the best examples are Megaman X games, the main storyline ends in X5 with the fight of X and Zero, within the elf wars and such ,jumping then at the Zero series ( This mean the canon storyline). X6-X8 are the non canonical games at here, but serves as well as material for the future series, as the worst example is Axl that had the ability to copy the enemies and transform in them ,and only appeared in the non canonical series. Then happened something very strange at the ZX Advent series (that is canonical) ,when appeared the model "A" mostly of us thought that indeed was based in Axl with the same abilities and appearance, but ended being that was based in the final boss of the game and no in Axl directly. Also the biometal interections ( that are based in the spirits of the main X character series). The thing is that in videogames can happen everything with the weirdest twists, using things for the different universes, adapting them for the next installements. Finally Senran Kagura is a living thing trying to re-invent in every series, and that is why I do like between the 3ds and Vita games, are so different, but at the same time so similar, at each installment you are not feeling robbed, because these differences about the games. Also,I do want Senran Kagura ZERO so bad, I do want to play with badass ninjas again ,with male and female characters. Strider and Ninja Gaiden games were cool! and I am sure I will feel the same about this one with Hanzo and his group, but Takaki will never make it ,because muh Otaku pride and muh money, still I love you, bastard. Also, I will post the most recent one along Senran Kagura with Pokemon ORAS. Caused a similar impact.
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Post by TheAtom on Apr 17, 2015 2:22:09 GMT -5
In the discussion, I agree with a lot of you, disagree with a lot of you, and well, I'd just repeat myself to go over that again. I do think a multiverse (and then indeed along the lines of Blazblue) just doesn't fit the comedic ninja setting SK is set in, unless they switch it up ENTIRELY the next game, but then pffft... SK would hardly be still SK.
I just wanted to highlight a different part!
Ooooh that makes me just wish for a New Wave game even MOOOOORE!
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Post by tzitzimine on Apr 17, 2015 9:38:25 GMT -5
Outside of Bon Appetit, Senran Kagura has never been 100% comedic, specially everything related with the shinobi world, though.
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Post by [Vitz!] on Apr 17, 2015 10:23:57 GMT -5
Senran Kagura is like a Shounen manga. You have bits of comedy, drama and action.
And the shounen influences are so "in your face" that I don't have to explain anything. Just play any of the games paying enough attention and you will notice.
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Post by ChaddyFantome on Apr 17, 2015 22:16:55 GMT -5
Hello, I don't mean to but in, I am relatively new in terms of the frequency I post here, and I only just entered the topic, but I am surprised at all the dots people seem to have connected in terms of the multiple timelines. Mostly because they to pretty much go hand-in-hand with the timeline I made. There is alot of truth and logistics to what has been stated in regards to the multiple timelines in the series and personally I don't see any real problem with it. It seems to only argument that has been made against it is that some people don't personally like the idea but that is completely irrelevant. The series has shown us enough evidence to support that it is in fact a multiverse and no amount of personal displeasure to the notion invalidates that. Sorry if I come off as intrusive or rude, but I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents. I really love the series and enjoy talking about it as much as I can. Also, here is the timeline I had done. It really isn't that complicated looking at it now. Again To my surprise, it is quite accurate to what has been mentioned in the thread.
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Post by thesameguy on Apr 17, 2015 22:28:26 GMT -5
Hello, I don't mean to but in, I am relatively new in terms of the frequency I post here, and I only just entered the topic, but I am surprised at all the dots people seem to have connected in terms of the multiple timelines. Mostly because they to pretty much go hand-in-hand with the timeline I made. There is alot of truth and logistics to what has been stated in regards to the multiple timelines in the series and personally I don't see any real problem with it. It seems to only argument that has been made against it is that some people don't personally like the idea but that is completely irrelevant. The series has shown us enough evidence to support that it is in fact a multiverse and no amount of personal displeasure to the notion invalidates that. Sorry if I come off as intrusive or rude, but I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents. I really love the series and enjoy talking about it as much as I can. Also, here is the timeline I had done. It really isn't that complicated looking at it now. Again To my surprise, it is quite accurate to what has been mentioned in the thread. [/ quote] Hmmm. Interesting.
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