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Post by augen on Dec 5, 2015 12:47:03 GMT -5
nichegamer.com/2015/12/idea-factory-will-no-longer-localize-games-which-need-censoring-for-western-regulations/Idea Factory President Haru Akenaga made a pretty eye opening statement regarding the issue of censorship of sexualized women in the West. In an interview with Operation Rainfall, they brought up the recent Dead or Alive Extreme 3 debacle, and how that affected them in deciding what they bring to the west. Haru Akenaga had this to say: That’s honestly their decision, but yes, sadly, it has stopped us from localizing certain Compile Heart games. We don’t want to censor anymore because we know that’s not true to the original developed art.Operation Rainfall also asked if we can start seeing more Asia releases like Moero Chronicle in the future. Akenaga seemed more concerned in trying to fix the situation in the West: That’s actually Compile Heart Asia’s decision, not really ours. We could start seeing that more in Asia, but maybe we should do something to change in the West in the future. Anyway, we just don’t want to censor anymore.Despite Japan’s attitude towards sexuality being quite lax, it seems as though the West’s attitude is making it more difficult for certain kinds of games to make it here unchanged --------------- So it is all or nothing for IFI now. No censorship, but could mean games don't come over. I like the stand against censorship, but hate idea of games staying in Japan because of it. Also, yes, public outcry does keep games from us, so stop with this "we're not taking your games away!" nonsense (not folks here, but elsewhere).
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Post by DJPlace on Dec 5, 2015 13:37:24 GMT -5
i don't get this...
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Post by augen on Dec 5, 2015 14:51:13 GMT -5
Basically instead of censoring games from now on it is either coming over pure or not at all.
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Post by Akira on Dec 5, 2015 17:54:35 GMT -5
It is like the 80's-90's all again! the only games that were saved about this were the arcade ones.Also this is pretty an Anglo thing, I hate that the people call it the west as a whole.
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Post by TheAtom on Dec 5, 2015 18:31:27 GMT -5
It is like the 80's-90's all again! the only games that were saved about this were the arcade ones.Also this is pretty an Anglo thing, I hate that the people call it the west as a whole. Anglo=Anglo-American, right? It's not as if we do get DOAX3 in the Netherlands or anything. "The West" in game-talk usually refers to NA and EU regions, and since most of the censoring and 'not-coming-due-to-sexualization' issues hit NA just as much as EU. I am happy with IF's stance on this, yet also afraid this may indeed keep us from getting a lot of the games in the west indeed. Now DOAX3's butt-fighting mechanics don't seem like they can really interest me gameplay-wise, but it'd be a shame to miss out on some really good stuff because of this. Read: Valkyrie Drive
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Post by Poog on Dec 5, 2015 18:37:16 GMT -5
My only concern is that it prevents us from getting certain games. I wish the West would stop being so god damned sensitive about everything.
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Post by Akira on Dec 5, 2015 18:53:34 GMT -5
Anglo=Anglo-American, right? It's not as if we do get DOAX3 in the Netherlands or anything. "The West" in game-talk usually refers to NA and EU regions, and since most of the censoring and 'not-coming-due-to-sexualization' issues hit NA just as much as EU. I am happy with IF's stance on this, yet also afraid this may indeed keep us from getting a lot of the games in the west indeed. Now DOAX3's butt-fighting mechanics don't seem like they can really interest me gameplay-wise, but it'd be a shame to miss out on some really good stuff because of this. Read: Valkyrie DriveI am from South America, we do not give a thing about some boobs or asses, there are a lot of more important things than that, but yeah , affects the industry as a whole because we get NA products. Anyway, lately I do not care a lot because I am importing mostly of my Japanese Marvelous games, NA does not gets good limited editions as Japan.
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Post by TheAtom on Dec 5, 2015 18:56:53 GMT -5
Anglo=Anglo-American, right? It's not as if we do get DOAX3 in the Netherlands or anything. "The West" in game-talk usually refers to NA and EU regions, and since most of the censoring and 'not-coming-due-to-sexualization' issues hit NA just as much as EU. I am happy with IF's stance on this, yet also afraid this may indeed keep us from getting a lot of the games in the west indeed. Now DOAX3's butt-fighting mechanics don't seem like they can really interest me gameplay-wise, but it'd be a shame to miss out on some really good stuff because of this. Read: Valkyrie DriveI am from South America, we do not give a thing about some boobs or asses, there are a lot of more important things than that, but yeah , affects the industry as a whole because we get NA products. Anyway, lately I do not care a lot because I am importing mostly of my Japanese Marvelous games, NA does not gets good limited editions as Japan. Ah okay, I get it then. I don't think South America is part of 'the West' anyway... It's not as if it's actually about a geographical West seeing that NA and Europe are the main signified locations with 'The West', and well, if North America is 'West', then Europe is either East or Central, and if Europe is supposed to be West, then I don't even know what to make of North America anymore...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 19:51:35 GMT -5
It's good to see Japanese developers take a firmer stance against censorship and giving western gamers what they want and it they can't hopefully game the Asia route to avoid the PC police.
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Post by DJPlace on Dec 5, 2015 20:03:06 GMT -5
people don't mind games with heads getting chopped off or limbs but not TITS AND ASS?!?
now i get this.
the west side of the globe is a bunch of PUSSIES!!
(that's how i look at it)
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Post by thesameguy on Dec 5, 2015 20:19:06 GMT -5
Hmmmmmmm. This is unfortunate. It seems that the overprogressive left is a much annoying threat than I had hoped.
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Post by Poog on Dec 5, 2015 20:51:39 GMT -5
people don't mind games with heads getting chopped off or limbs but not TITS AND ASS?!? now i get this. the west side of the globe is a bunch of PUSSIES!! (that's how i look at it) "We live in more of a pussy generation now, where everybody’s become used to saying, “Well, how do we handle it psychologically?” " -Clint Eastwood
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Post by TheAtom on Dec 6, 2015 7:14:10 GMT -5
Personally I always try to be careful with saying those things. As a first-world university-studying young white male, I am probably among the most privileged in the whole world. There is no structural discrimination against males, whites, young people, or highly educated people. I am in no way a victim of this, and I doubt Clint Eastwood has had much trouble with any of this either. So, as a person that doesn't deal with everyday-discrimination it is so easy to brush it off and call others pussies. It seems analogous to watching another person get punched in the face, and then saying he's a pussy for crying, because you yourself aren't crying. Well, it's not like you got punched in the face now, is it? So you're not expected to cry about it. I'm all for more diversity in games, and I personally think this is better done through positive reinforcement of diversity rather than bashing of those that stick to the beaten path of sexualized women and hunkalized men (which in my opinion deserve a larger focus in the whole debate). Still though. Calling our civilization a pussy civilization because we care about how things affect others feels so incredibly wrong to me. I personally think this article from Destructoid says some very right things. I don't know, I guess this is not a popular opinion for fans of Senran Kagura, so perhaps it's better not to post this, but I'm not sure I like where this conversation is heading, personally.
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Post by Poog on Dec 6, 2015 11:21:28 GMT -5
With a lot of PC culture as of late, I agree with Clint for the most part. Regardless, I think its absolutely absurd that we need to censor these things, yet things like gore, cannibalism, etc run rampant in games and become celebrated. Boobs or other things are so trivial in comparison, its not just awful to censor it, but downright silly.
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Post by tzitzimine on Dec 6, 2015 12:28:31 GMT -5
Still though. Calling our civilization a pussy civilization because we care about how things affect others feels so incredibly wrong to me. I personally think this article from Destructoid says some very right things. I don't know, I guess this is not a popular opinion for fans of Senran Kagura, so perhaps it's better not to post this, but I'm not sure I like where this conversation is heading, personally. As archeologist myself I can say that article is full of bull. It's advocating for more diversity but as seen by the north american sensibilities. It's claiming that we deserve to play as latinos, chinese, and any other nationality but it never raises the question of presenting those communities as they are, just as the northamerican think they should be. I'm mexican and a huge part of our cultural inheritance rests on both a ver sarcastic and caustic humor (there's nothing we won't joke about) and certain archetypes perfectly defined, and yet, if we were to be represented just like we are, people would be bitching about the representation being racist and what not. In a sense, what that guy is arguing is no different to the ideal of the Noble Savage that plagued the antropologica sciences in the XIX century. You want to represent a minority? You do by accepting all aspects of it, not only those that makes them look vulnerable. Now on the topic itself, I'm not particularly good with words so I'm just gonna share that amazing post I found on tumblr some time ago (bolding is mine) akairiot.tumblr.com/post/126126967300/on-censorship-and-sensitivity
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