I'm wondering as well what you mean with KH. The only issue they have is the amount of systems you originally needed to get the whole deal. Now, with the remixes, I've been able to play everything up to KH2, and the storyline becomes much clearer (though still, it's complex).
As for SK, I think it can be an infinite franchise. The essence of SK is fun, boobie ninjas. You can get new generations without much problems, I think.
For a finite franchise, you can still at least give far-off sequels (no school setting anymore but same characters) or prequels (Hanzo and Sayuri time).
In the end, that's always true of course. With his Honey Infinity Parade group he seemed to have 7 characters as a logo (or that's what I read), giving me the idea he wants 7 franchises. That'd mean SK will have tp gove some production time away, my guess at least. But yeah...
Post by HF Bastian on Mar 28, 2017 23:02:23 GMT -5
If you wish to not be spoiled by the Senran Kagura 7 teaser, then stop reading now. Otherwise...
It's funny that you bring this up because now it seems like we may have a more tangible answer. In order to properly explain what I'm about to explain, I'm gonna need whoever’s reading this to watch the Senran Kagura 7 teaser if they haven’t already. Even if you have watched it, it’d still be nice to have a reference up because I’ll be discussing specific point of the teaser. Here’s a video of just the teaser without the PBS ending that comes before it, though it’s not in the best quality, so if you can find a better-looking video, by all means use that one.
Let’s start with the scene halfway between 0:16 – 0:17. You can see what seems to be Master Kiriya talking to two people, potentially Ikaruga and Katsuragi judging by their hair. It’s also kind of dark around there, but that doesn’t really tell us much. However, why would Kiriya be talking to Ikaruga and Katsuragi in a cutscene that’s apparently important enough to be fully animated? It’s probably something major, and this YouTuber speculates that they’re discussing their graduation, and I agree with that theory. Now, again, this is all speculation, we don’t know anything for sure. If Ika and Kat do end up leaving Hanzo to become true shinobis, that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s gonna happen in SK7. That could be the game where they are in Hanzo for the last time. Maybe they do graduate, but only at the end of the game, at which point you can still pick them for missions and what have you. Maybe they graduate half-way / at the beginning of the game but they’re still a big part of the story because they can’t just ignore Yoma even if they’re no longer part of Hanzo. And in the case they do graduate in SK7, they have to go out with a bang! They can’t just casually leave, it would need to be made into a scene epic enough for the fans to accept. However, from what it’s looking, it’s very likely that Ikaruga and Katsuragi, as well as many of the other third year students across the other schools, will have to graduate and move on sooner or later.
So what, does that mean that Hanzo is just left with 4 students now? Umm… I mean, maybe, maybe not, again, this is all speculation, I don’t know. What I can tell you, however, is that we should definitely talk about the scene at 0:20 – 0:22. By now, we all know that Ayame is officially part of Hanzo’s team. She went from just a shopkeeper, to a DLC character, to a character available in the base game and an active part of the main story. And something else that’s important to note, she’s a first year student. It’s possible that she’s a second year student in this video, however – maybe, maybe not. Though it’s also important to note that Yagyu looks a bit more mature in here, possibly suggesting that she’s a second year student now alongside Hibari (who hasn’t changed visually, so it’s hard to tell with her). If Yagyu and Hibari are second years, then that must mean that Ikaruga and Katsuragi would have had to graduate (unless they intentionally fail like Daidoji, which I doubt). And from here, this is where we can really start expanding on the idea of New Wave characters coming in.
Something that I just realized that is very important to point out is that all of the New Wave Hanzo and Hebijo girls are first year students, so it’s possible that they’re just starting to populate the schools which would explain why we never saw them before (with the exception of Ayame). Again, I’m not saying that the current third year students are just going to disappear, but it’s possible that they’re no longer part of the schools and instead are just graduated shinobi – still playable and part of the story, just not students. We know for sure that we’re going to see Ayame in SK7, and now that Souji’s been introduced into the main story through Peach Beach Splash, it’s very likely that she’ll be in SK7 as well. Which begs the question, are we going to see more New Wave girls officially entering Hanzo and Hebijo? In Hanzo’s case, they’d have 4 members after Ika and Kat graduate, so they could get one more New Wave Hanzo girl - Fuuma, Hijikita, Muramasa, or Seimei. Hell, they could even break the habit and have all four of them join. Considering that, officially speaking, Daidoji was a sixth member of Hanzo until she graduated, and then Ayame’s presence in PBS once again gives Hanzo six members, it’s not like the “five members per team” rule is unbreakable.
In Hebijo’s case, we must once again reference the teaser for a particular scene. 0:17 – 0:18, Ryobi and Ryona in Gessen, wearing Gessen uniforms, alongside Yumi. Yes, this could very much be a scene in the past when Ryobi and Ryona were still Gessen students before they left for Hebijo. But what if it isn’t the past, but the future instead (or the present time of the teaser)? Why would Ryobi and Ryona go back to Gessen? Because Miyabi and Imu may have graduated, leaving only Murasaki in Hebijo’s elite class – who may not even go to class anymore since her sister isn’t there now, so she once again goes back to never going to class in favor of staying home alone. Considering Ryobi and Ryona already completed their mission in Hebijo, this would leave them with very little reason to stay in Hebijo. So, they go back to Gessen where there’s more familiar faces and they feel more comfortable. What’s Hebijo left with? Just Murasaki and maybe Souji? I doubt it, because now they could have the other New Wave Hebijo girls (Chitose, Ibuki, Ashiya, and Bashou) join!
And you know, from a game design stand point and looking at Senran Kagura’s history, this makes sense. Every game likes to introduce more playable characters than the last. And it’s not like each character’s gameplay design (assuming we’re using Estival Versus or “traditional” SK gameplay) is that complex. Each character gets a few flashy ground and air combos, a few Secret Ninja Arts, a transformation, whatever team-based action the game has, and maybe some extra systems for certain characters, like Hikage’s “insane” mode or Mirai’s multiple weapons. I’m not saying designing a character is easy, but it’s certainly less complicated than, say, Elsword’s characters that have a lot more combos across different class advancements and dozens of skills (which is why that game has a lot less characters than Senran Kagura).
This is all without mentioning the fact that Leo and Yuyaki have also been introduced into the story, which puts the Touno and Zodiac teams into the picture, which by Leo’s presence alone also brings the possibility of introducing Senki Shu just for Hyoki’s rivalry with her. At this point, it’s not a matter of “if” New Wave characters are going to be introduced into the main games, now it’s a matter of “when” and to a lesser extent “how.” Regardless, I think I’ve ranted for long enough now, so let me go back and answer the main question of this thread: should Senran Kagura continue after graduation? Yes. Graduation doesn’t mean the characters will be gone forever, it just means that changes will have to happen. I know change can be scary, but it’s important for it to happen sometimes.
Think they should do more TV Episodes around the characters, or few films, think there's so much they can do, not everybody are enthusiastic readers, and rather watch something instead [Like me lol] who wouldn't want to watch the girls we all like kicking ass
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I'd really love to see the series continue into the current characters' mid-twenties, after graduation. Seeing the characters further develop both mentally and physically would be great. It would also be pointless to end the series at graduation after hyping up the yoma battles so much. Plus, getting out of the school setting would allow them to show more of the differences between good and evil shinobi in action. In the school setting they really aren't much different in terms of what they do. And this is more of a personal wish, we might finally get to see Minori grow the hell up. I really doubt she'd survive long in the real world as she is now.
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