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Post by Dai-T on Feb 28, 2014 12:41:15 GMT -5
Sooo... was Miyazaki the creator of the actual concept of 'moe' and girls in fighting games? No, Beautiful fighting girl. It's not the same. Think Mononoke's San, Nausicaa, Ayanami Rei. Every form of art deals with market forces once people see can make money from it. One could argue that film or television in general is less because the majority do not want high art, but rather to be entertained. To me, have to accept that this is part of life and people will always enjoy things you do not. In my eyes, people want high art but they have been trained to think they do not, because of 1/ marketing, which is akin to brainwash and which is used to sell people crap (your typical brain-dead movie blockbuster would sell much less without it) and 2/ the way classics are taught to kids in school. For me, a classic is something that succeed to exceed itself and manage to adress truly universal themes - life, love, death, growing up, ambition, time... - in an universal fashion. It may take experience and maturity to approach them at first, hence dedicated teachers able to explain them and help students to approach and understand them. But we live in a culture which divides between low and high-art (aka "accessible" and "snob"), where art has to be succesful commercially, but it miss the point of what art should be about. Sorry for being off-topic ^^ Seems you are the wise man now. As long as the person is open minded everything will come in age.
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Post by h2foxo on Feb 28, 2014 12:48:14 GMT -5
No, Beautiful fighting girl. It's not the same. Think Mononoke's San, Nausicaa, Ayanami Rei. In my eyes, people want high art but they have been trained to think they do not, because of 1/ marketing, which is akin to brainwash and which is used to sell people crap (your typical brain-dead movie blockbuster would sell much less without it) and 2/ the way classics are taught to kids in school. For me, a classic is something that succeed to exceed itself and manage to adress truly universal themes - life, love, death, growing up, ambition, time... - in an universal fashion. It may take experience and maturity to approach them at first, hence dedicated teachers able to explain them and help students to approach and understand them. But we live in a culture which divides between low and high-art (aka "accessible" and "snob"), where art has to be succesful commercially, but it miss the point of what art should be about. Sorry for being off-topic ^^ Seems you are the wise man now. As long as the person is open minded everything will come in age. I might be thinking the wrong thing but i want to be entertained not view art most films that get loads of stars are disliked or not very liked by me or my family, The Dark Knight for instance. if i watch i 90 min film i want to enjoy at least 70 mins of it not 20 mins with 70 mins build up even if the film was really clever.
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Post by [Vitz!] on Feb 28, 2014 14:18:20 GMT -5
As a Visual Arts student all I can say about art is this: There's no fucking definition for it.So there's no "point of what art should be about" if you don't even know what art is. And I'm dead serious. All my teachers and all the people who research arts came (or will come) to that conclusion. Some try to get a definition but to no avail (or because nobody accepts it or because it makes sense, but the "art cientists" simply don't swallow your theory [wich I think would be the case of lots of people I know]). This is true specially when you consider the existence of this man: Marcel Duchamp. And his works aren't even near the truly universal themes mentioned before. And guess what? This guy is recognized as one of the biggest artist of the 20th century... and he didn't even consider himself an artist at all! And most of you would barely consider his works arts at all too! But this guy got this status with some historical recognition: This guy changed how the people involved in the artist community thought about art... and because of him art seems somthing so fucking hard to understand nowdays. I won't get into much details about him. I think you guys should do your own research about him (if you are interested). In the end the definition of art (and consequently the "point of what art should be about") is completely dependent on the person who is seeing it. There's no such thing as a cientific definition or definite answer to "What is art". Unfortunately is completely arbitrary. Some say that the guys who define what is art or not ar a bunch of elite intelectuals with their mood changes ('if i'm angry i'm gonna consider this work a piece of crap!') and their one-sided way of viewing things (specially the western ones), but there's no way I'm going to swallow that bullshit. For instace: Some intelectuals around here in the western will only consider something a work of art if there's some basis in western way of seeing history, philosophy and etecetera. Consider that most people (and those intelectuals are a relevant part of them) doesn't even have interest in the rest of the world a.k.a. those 'exotic' things that come from places like Asia, Africa and some cultures that, seemingly, 'nobody' cares about and isn't North America or Europe... yeah my dear Latin America included. Sorry for writing so much and sorry for the grammar errors or something like that. Sometimes is impossible to be clear enough with a small text. And sorry for ranting. This subject makes me realize how shitty this "world" is. lol
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Post by Dai-T on Feb 28, 2014 17:33:42 GMT -5
Seems you are the wise man now. As long as the person is open minded everything will come in age. I might be thinking the wrong thing but i want to be entertained not view art most films that get loads of stars are disliked or not very liked by me or my family, The Dark Knight for instance. if i watch i 90 min film i want to enjoy at least 70 mins of it not 20 mins with 70 mins build up even if the film was really clever. Your not American and did not grow up on batman. Same thing happed to dread in the states even though the movie was good it was a European character and the states did not grow up on this hero.
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Post by h2foxo on Feb 28, 2014 18:00:14 GMT -5
I might be thinking the wrong thing but i want to be entertained not view art most films that get loads of stars are disliked or not very liked by me or my family, The Dark Knight for instance. if i watch i 90 min film i want to enjoy at least 70 mins of it not 20 mins with 70 mins build up even if the film was really clever. Your not American and did not grow up on batman. Same thing happed to dread in the states even though the movie was good it was a European character and the states did not grow up on this hero. Yeah I grew up on Thomas the Tank Engine, Fireman Sam and Scooby Doo. Good times, Good Times. XP
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Post by kyubox on Mar 25, 2014 4:40:47 GMT -5
Fascinating question. To be honest, I think the answer might be somewhere in the middle between "yes" and "no".
The series is literally based on fanservice. Wasn't the creation of the game inspired by the idea of "let's use the 3DS to make 3D boobs" or something? When you look at all the promotional stuff as well, it's really selling the fanservice.
Of course, fanservice alone isn't why the series is so popular. It's a genuinely fun game with lovable characters and an interesting story, among other things. It's a great game, I love it! Of course, that raises the issue of "if the game is so great, why resort to so much fanservice in the first place?"
To me, it seems that it would be fair to say that the series is definately targeted at the otaku audience. That doesn't have to be a bad thing, however. As I've said before, this is a great game. It is without a doubt a fanservicey game, but that doesn't mean that's ALL it is.
I feel like the test for this sort of thing should be "if you take all the fanservice out, would we still care about it?"
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Post by solaris on Mar 25, 2014 9:10:23 GMT -5
"if you take all the fanservice out, would we still care about it?" I would
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Post by Leon Tekashi on Mar 25, 2014 10:38:44 GMT -5
Taking out the fan service now from the series would be stupid since it started with fan service. People will get pissed.
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Post by CrimsonIkaruga on Mar 28, 2014 13:47:14 GMT -5
Fanservice is something the series does not need to be enjoyable or appreciated, but it is something that to some degree allows the series to be what it is.
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