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Post by ChaddyFantome on May 20, 2015 14:57:12 GMT -5
Well that'd explain why it's easily overlooked. I didn't even realize that was a feature for a chapter or two in, and I bet this is true for a lot of people. If you skip all dialog , sure, but the game tells you about it right at the beginning of the game.
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Post by Seventh on May 20, 2015 15:05:39 GMT -5
Still probably easy to miss if it wasn't in the main modes (where it arguably was in SV with how she said she does it to bond with people), but not a big deal either way.
I suppose you could argue for Hibari keeping Muramasa as her cat too, depending on how you want to look at it. Dunno myself.
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Post by Seventh on May 25, 2015 12:35:25 GMT -5
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Post by thesameguy on May 25, 2015 13:06:08 GMT -5
[Insert long high pitch to low pitch whistle here]
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Post by tzitzimine on May 25, 2015 13:08:42 GMT -5
You know, after seeing these cards I can't help but wonder what exactly spurred the change on characters like Ginrei, Ayame and Fuma. Looking at their older cards and profiles, they weren't as blatant with their fixations with other girls, and in fact they were pretty normal friendships/rivalries. And now we have two of them daydreaming about their crush or some candles shorts of building a shrine for her. Not that I'm complaining, mind you. But well, it would be interesting if is gonna be a trend from now on. Anyways, great post.
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Post by Seventh on May 25, 2015 13:53:11 GMT -5
You know, after seeing these cards I can't help but wonder what exactly spurred the change on characters like Ginrei, Ayame and Fuma. Looking at their older cards and profiles, they weren't as blatant with their fixations with other girls, and in fact they were pretty normal friendships/rivalries. And now we have two of them daydreaming about their crush or some candles shorts of building a shrine for her. Not that I'm complaining, mind you. But well, it would be interesting if is gonna be a trend from now on. Anyways, great post. I'd say of those three, only Fuma is the one that got especially kind of out there as time went on. Ginrei's profile on the wiki does say she's loyal to Leo above all else and that they get along well in public and private, so I don't think the leap for her to fantasize about her on, so far, just one card is too much of one - I thought the hint was there from her profile even back when she only had a couple of cards, personally. That card came out during an event where there was some kind of party going on, so it's possible that there's context in the cutscenes you see prior to getting that card (it was one you get through going through a bunch of stages rather than being a paid one) that make it even less of a leap than it might seem. Likewise, Ayame's profile says straightaway she idolizes Katsuragi and that she's emulating her, something that even extends to her transformation and weapons (and potentially even her normal appearance - for all we know, she only grew her hair out after meeting Katsuragi, since her profile also says she wants to abandon her past). Keeping all of that in mind, I'd almost say her fixation on Katsuragi has always been there, this is more just confirmation of it than anything. That said, Fuma going from seeing a similarity in herself and Asuka to the mega fangirl some of the cards display her as is definitely a pretty huge leap. Potentially the biggest in the series that I can think of even. If you had to ask me why this is, I'd say there are probably a few reasons. I don't know what New Wave was like when it started, but I do know that the cast wasn't nearly as huge initially, which meant the characters that did exist were probably able to get more cards more often. If events had cutscenes back then, they were probably able to get their character interaction out a lot more frequently because New Wave just doesn't have a lot of those - it's got a pretty set formula about how it does things. Compare that to now, where I've been playing for half a year about and the current event is the first time I've seen Yoshimitsu get a single new card that I can remember offhand. Same with events - cutscenes are still there, but because there's such a small amount, they're probably trying to fit some more of it in the cards, even if it means being more blatant. Also, because the cast is so big, and because of the pay to win element, the more popular characters are going to get more cards now compared to before when there were enough that they could just disperse them more evenly (or so I suspect). In turn this means that when characters do get cards now, more specific traits to them will probably get focus if they're not the more popular ones getting frequent cards. It could also just be event specific too. For example, that Ayame card came during a Hanzo themed vacation event, so since we had a character that happens to have a Katsuragi fixation already, it could have just been seen as a natural extension of that to have her thinking about Katsuragi in a towel. Same with Ginrei thinking about Leo in her dress since that seemed to be taking place during some kind of event of Leo's or something. Though interestingly, I think Kumi and Minato's rivalry might be making them both of them popular in itself (and maybe could even be why we're seeing more elsewhere after the two of them were introduced) since we've gotten a fair few cards with the two of them interacting in some way. Just speculation on my part though. Really hoping Marvelous localizes it someday so we can see the cutscenes in some form translated, but in the meantime I'll try to upload some more this weekend and see if that can go somewhere.
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Post by tzitzimine on May 26, 2015 12:13:28 GMT -5
I will never understand this pairing
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Post by Leon Tekashi on May 26, 2015 12:23:30 GMT -5
Granddaughter vs Granddaughter
Good vs Good
Rival vs Rival
One person helping the other realize that what she's trying to do is impossible.
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Post by tzitzimine on May 26, 2015 12:47:54 GMT -5
Granddaughter vs Granddaughter Good vs Good Rival vs Rival One person helping the other realize that what she's trying to do is impossible. Oh I get that, is just that in the context of the games is so random. They have like three interactions and Yumi actually ships AsukaXHomura
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Post by Leon Tekashi on May 26, 2015 12:53:54 GMT -5
Well, there are times when people ship two characters based on stuff I just said. It's been done before.
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Post by Seventh on May 26, 2015 13:04:02 GMT -5
They have like three interactions To be completely fair, that's not that far off from how many times Asuka and Homura interact in any one story mode of a game. Those interactions add up over time and multiple story modes, and if you're the kind to include adaptations like the anime (I am not), then it's had quiiiiiite a bit, whereas Yumi and Asuka really have only had just the couple of games now. But putting Asuka and Yumi together after SV wouldn't be that different than putting Asuka and Homura together after just Hanzo's story in Burst. Based on Gessen's story in SV alone, even with Yumi teasing Homura, I'd say there's definitely a case to be made for Yumi and Asuka. It's not as strong of one as the case you can make for Asuka and Homura, but it's there. Offhand, the climactic battle of Gessen's story ends with Asuka and Yumi's relationship forming properly, and when Yumi left Homura I'm pretty sure it was with some kind of "guuurl, asuka isn't yours" comment when she went. Because a lot of this is just subtext, the devs can subtextually pair off characters in multiple ways without it technically breaking up any pairings. Haruka's got it going on with like... probably close to half a dozen girls now if we include Ibuki, just to name one open character, and you've got Ikaruga and romping around with Katsuragi (for reasons I have yet to understand), Yomi, and Murakumo, and so on. I guess what I'm saying is my viewpoint is just because Asuka and Homura is the "big" one doesn't mean there won't be drops of things for other pairs and junk since they can do that if they want to.
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Post by ChaddyFantome on May 26, 2015 19:31:27 GMT -5
They have like three interactions To be completely fair, that's not that far off from how many times Asuka and Homura interact in any one story mode of a game. Those interactions add up over time and multiple story modes, and if you're the kind to include adaptations like the anime (I am not), then it's had quiiiiiite a bit, whereas Yumi and Asuka really have only had just the couple of games now. But putting Asuka and Yumi together after SV wouldn't be that different than putting Asuka and Homura together after just Hanzo's story in Burst. I disagree. Not only did they have far more interactions, their interactions with one another were far more meaningful and impactful than Asuka's were with Yumi. ` Odd, I really don't remember anything of the sort. I'll have to play Gessen story again. There really isn't anything whatsoever with Yumi and Asuka though. There relationship barely exists to begin with. It basically went from "Your bad for befriending evil ninja" to "I was wrong. Sorry about that" . Their relationship barely constitutes a friendship, let alone warranting a pairing. I'm already loose on the AsukaxHomura pairing as it is, but I can at least see why people would do it. YumixAsuka exists for no reason other than "They are the main grills". It's really the only reason I can see it being a thing at all. :X Not to say this kind of pairing is that surprising. It's one of the reasons I don't get too hung up about pairings. More than half of em make zero sense and I personally can't stand force ships. This is just another drop of water in the proverbial bucket.
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Post by Seventh on May 26, 2015 20:05:46 GMT -5
Yumi x Asuka exists for no reason other than "They are the main grills" Not really. Multiple reasons have been offered. If you disagree, that's fine for you, but you're also not one of the people who are pairing them together. That's just part of the nature of subtext - some people will see it and some won't. Personally, I stand by the statement that there is some between them. All we can really do really.
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Post by ChaddyFantome on May 26, 2015 20:30:22 GMT -5
Yumi x Asuka exists for no reason other than "They are the main grills" Not really. Multiple reasons have been offered. If you disagree, that's fine for you, but you're also not one of the people who are pairing them together. That's just part of the nature of subtext - some people will see it and some won't. Personally, I stand by the statement that there is some between them. All we can really do really. Perception doesn't exist in a vacuum. The thing about subtext though is that people can at least attest to is actually being there or at least understanding or getting the connection regardless of whether or not the person actually noticed it to begin with. Otherwise it stops being subtext and delves into the realms of stretching and sometimes delusion. You can chose to believe the earth is flat and come up with all kinds of justification for why it must be, but that won't make it true. Your response basically amounts to yourlogicalfallacyis.com/special-pleading"It's there. You just can't see it." isn't an argument, lol. Again, I don't agree with AsukaxHomura but I can at least see why people would ship them as there is plenty of subtext. If people wanna make up implausible and ridiculous ships, they can go ahead. Ultimately, my goal isn't to police them. That doesn't make 'em any less ridiculous though.
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Post by tzitzimine on May 29, 2015 10:31:11 GMT -5
I'm extremely critical of EV but I'm happy because it finally it gave us some glorious subtext between Dai and Rin Linked for spoilers *shrug* imgur.com/bZ7Dqzk
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