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Post by thesameguy on Apr 18, 2015 19:14:28 GMT -5
Decisions, decisions.
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Post by Dai-T on Apr 18, 2015 19:26:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the overal feedback I am glad I could contribute the the discussion. I don't think lt iS two timelines just one is work and one happen when they were off or out of work. SK2 is the last real work they had. l the time line is missing portrait and SK2 replaced bust. basicly just put SK2 where burst is since it retacons that story like bust did to portrait. I haven't played Deep Crimson yet, but from my understanding the game doesn't replace the previous game, no? Doesn't it merely retcon some aspects of the story? If that is the case, then it really is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Also, the reason PoG isn't listed is because it is incorporated into Burst and I thought it would be redundant to list both of them initially. The point of the timeline was not to list off all of the games, but to show a seamless connection of the overarching narrative of the games continuity. As for the timeline split, I guess we will just have to wait for SK2 to be released in august, won't we? If the ending and overall narrative is as drastically different as implied, there will be no further reason to doubt whether it is a different universe anymore. Although I already fail to see how anyone can still doubt it at this point in time, but I digress.Still, it is pretty odd to me that we are only learning of this now. For all intents and purposes, this information has been available for over half a year now in Japan. This "news" isn't really "news". We have just been in the dark this entire time. It's weird for me to think that it took another game in a different series that just released in Japan before we learn anything of the story in DC, especially if this timeline split turns out to be the truth. On a different note, has anyone suggested something along the lines of an RPG like the FireEmblemXShinMegamiTensei game that they have going on? How about a straight up SRPG like FireEmblem itself? I personally think the latter actually lends itself to the series quite well, especially considering that we are dealing with ninjas here. The series has been pretty neglectful of this in recent games, to be honest . A girl with a bucket is a ninja now ? As for the NW girls, I am personally of the opinion that they are better left to obscurity. We already know how simply expanding the roster of girls can have detrimental effects on the game and ,imo, doing so indefinitely would undoubtedly lead to the series' death by over saturation. If anything, the better move would be to use them as NPC's in hub rooms or the like in future titles. Give them interesting dialog and call it a day. AT most, they could make them playable in multiplayer only, similar to that one TeenTitans game on the GameCube. We really, and I mean really, don't need them to become part of the cast. It would only accentuate the series' repetitive nature. Woah, that turned out alot longer than I thought it would. Um...Thanks for reading. xD EDIT: somehow my bit about another anime didn't make it into my post. :x Basically, I said that it would make more sense for the next season to follow more closely to SK2 because of how the first saeson ended, even if it seems less likely do to the subseries doing so well. I said that the OVA was not inherently bad, but I prefer the Artland art style more for the series because the OVA contrasts with everything way to much. Also, back to teasing please. :dance:We don't need the series to jump the shark just yet. fans dropped the game quick plus it had a bad story and uninteresting new characters made no reason to care. game did not even get a wiki..
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Post by ChaddyFantome on Apr 18, 2015 19:48:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the overal feedback I am glad I could contribute the the discussion. I haven't played Deep Crimson yet, but from my understanding the game doesn't replace the previous game, no? Doesn't it merely retcon some aspects of the story? If that is the case, then it really is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Also, the reason PoG isn't listed is because it is incorporated into Burst and I thought it would be redundant to list both of them initially. The point of the timeline was not to list off all of the games, but to show a seamless connection of the overarching narrative of the games continuity. As for the timeline split, I guess we will just have to wait for SK2 to be released in august, won't we? If the ending and overall narrative is as drastically different as implied, there will be no further reason to doubt whether it is a different universe anymore. Although I already fail to see how anyone can still doubt it at this point in time, but I digress.Still, it is pretty odd to me that we are only learning of this now. For all intents and purposes, this information has been available for over half a year now in Japan. This "news" isn't really "news". We have just been in the dark this entire time. It's weird for me to think that it took another game in a different series that just released in Japan before we learn anything of the story in DC, especially if this timeline split turns out to be the truth. On a different note, has anyone suggested something along the lines of an RPG like the FireEmblemXShinMegamiTensei game that they have going on? How about a straight up SRPG like FireEmblem itself? I personally think the latter actually lends itself to the series quite well, especially considering that we are dealing with ninjas here. The series has been pretty neglectful of this in recent games, to be honest . A girl with a bucket is a ninja now ? As for the NW girls, I am personally of the opinion that they are better left to obscurity. We already know how simply expanding the roster of girls can have detrimental effects on the game and ,imo, doing so indefinitely would undoubtedly lead to the series' death by over saturation. If anything, the better move would be to use them as NPC's in hub rooms or the like in future titles. Give them interesting dialog and call it a day. AT most, they could make them playable in multiplayer only, similar to that one TeenTitans game on the GameCube. We really, and I mean really, don't need them to become part of the cast. It would only accentuate the series' repetitive nature. Woah, that turned out alot longer than I thought it would. Um...Thanks for reading. xD EDIT: somehow my bit about another anime didn't make it into my post. :x Basically, I said that it would make more sense for the next season to follow more closely to SK2 because of how the first saeson ended, even if it seems less likely do to the subseries doing so well. I said that the OVA was not inherently bad, but I prefer the Artland art style more for the series because the OVA contrasts with everything way to much. Also, back to teasing please. :dance:We don't need the series to jump the shark just yet. fans dropped the game quick plus it had a bad story and uninteresting new characters made no reason to care. game did not even get a wiki.. Well I can't speak for the story just yet but from my understanding, the new characters Kagura and Naraku were quite well received, weren't they? Wasn't of the major complains for the game the fact that they weren't playable? The game not even getting a wiki is astounding to me, then again the current Kagurapedia wiki is pretty bare as is, so maybe it shouldn't be. Personally, I've always thought the omission of the SV cast was the biggest issue people might have had with the game, especially when EV was announced to have all the SV cast plus more characters. And if the timeline thing is true and the spoiler is accurate, it is reason enough to think that it would have a huge alienating effect on the fans of the Versus series, especially with how popular Yumi is. {Spoiler}Being told that your waifu isn't canon would do that, I imagine. That is enough of that tangent anyway. Another suggestion I have for the series, although I am pretty sure it has been thrown around before, is a DatingSim. I personally wouldn't care much for it, but my gut tells me that it would make mucho dinero if ya catch my drift. :like:
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Post by Seventh on Apr 18, 2015 21:49:47 GMT -5
I would only be interested on a new anime if they get Artland back (or any competent studio, whoever did EV's OVA sucked balls) and stay the hell away of cheap fanservice, ie, nothing like the OVA. Then they should probably stay away from whoever did the first anime too. Shinovi Versus anime is probably the most probable. If they do go through with a Shinovi Versus adaptation, maybe they'd be able to integrate the four different stories from the game into a single more coherent one. Either that, or they could continue directly from the previous anime, and maybe develop its own sort of story from there. It'd be pretty easy if they really wanted to, honestly. They could try smashing all the stories together or just picking only one of them to animate and then adding things as needed, like from the individual story modes. If anything, I'd rather they not adapt the games at all and maybe do shorter episodes based on those.
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Post by ChaddyFantome on Apr 18, 2015 22:58:12 GMT -5
I would only be interested on a new anime if they get Artland back (or any competent studio, whoever did EV's OVA sucked balls) and stay the hell away of cheap fanservice, ie, nothing like the OVA. Then they should probably stay away from whoever did the first anime too. If they do go through with a Shinovi Versus adaptation, maybe they'd be able to integrate the four different stories from the game into a single more coherent one. Either that, or they could continue directly from the previous anime, and maybe develop its own sort of story from there. It'd be pretty easy if they really wanted to, honestly. They could try smashing all the stories together or just picking only one of them to animate and then adding things as needed, like from the individual story modes. If anything, I'd rather they not adapt the games at all and maybe do shorter episodes based on those. I already explained why smashing them all together wouldn't go over well and if they had to chose one team, it would most likely Either be Gessen or Hanzo, which are the weakest parts of SV. Although I really don't see it happening, I would love a Misadventures of the Homura's Crimson Squad-type show. xD
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Post by Dai-T on Apr 18, 2015 23:09:22 GMT -5
fans dropped the game quick plus it had a bad story and uninteresting new characters made no reason to care. game did not even get a wiki.. Well I can't speak for the story just yet but from my understanding, the new characters Kagura and Naraku were quite well received, weren't they? Wasn't of the major complains for the game the fact that they weren't playable? The game not even getting a wiki is astounding to me, then again the current Kagurapedia wiki is pretty bare as is, so maybe it shouldn't be. Personally, I've always thought the omission of the SV cast was the biggest issue people might have had with the game, especially when EV was announced to have all the SV cast plus more characters. And if the timeline thing is true and the spoiler is accurate, it is reason enough to think that it would have a huge alienating effect on the fans of the Versus series, especially with how popular Yumi is. {Spoiler}Being told that your waifu isn't canon would do that, I imagine. That is enough of that tangent anyway. Another suggestion I have for the series, although I am pretty sure it has been thrown around before, is a DatingSim. I personally wouldn't care much for it, but my gut tells me that it would make mucho dinero if ya catch my drift. :like: naraku and kagura still don't have newwave cards they are below rin and dai And the other characters for the game was guys so no one care i did not care enough to do follow ups like the other games.
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Post by tzitzimine on Apr 18, 2015 23:34:15 GMT -5
fans dropped the game quick plus it had a bad story and uninteresting new characters made no reason to care. game did not even get a wiki.. If you ask me, that is the only reason. Story being bad or not is irrelevant considering the fans who actually give a damn for the games' plot are a minority, "uninteresting new characters"? nothing more far from the truth. People can't stop complaining about Naraku not being playable and Kagura is a meme on 2chan. A game having a wiki or not is also irrelevant, that only speaks of the series lacking fans really commited to it rather than the game's quality. Something that is true on the west too, the series only has 5 guides spread over two games in gamefaqs (out of EIGHT hits on their systems) Three of them for Burst and two for Versus. Then they should probably stay away from whoever did the first anime too. I'd never understand the complaints about fanservice on the anime. There's only two scenes that can be considered blatant fanservice: Hanzo's massage and Haruka's "quality time" with Hibari. And the former is played for laughs while the later is meant to be unnerving. The jiggling and panty shots is accurate to the franchise's tone and isn't any worse or different then your current anime. On the other hand, the anime is filled with lots of neat details that give it a ton of personality and some of thhe best expressions I've seen
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Post by leanmeanlovinmachine on Apr 18, 2015 23:48:38 GMT -5
Naraku seems ok. I still dont get why they couldnt have made her a playable character for a DLC or something. They gave daidouji a lot of screen time and her own chibi character.
I havent read the game in english but having another game with the rival pairs might of been way too repetitive. Just from the looks of it, SK2 has the worst character interaction. The rivals didnt really have to interact a lot in burst during downtime and when they do in SK2, it's just kind weird. You dont see much interaction between them in EV specially.
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Post by bcmccmmnx on Apr 19, 2015 1:59:33 GMT -5
I hate to be the guy that breaks the flow of the conversation, but I had an idea for a suggestion.
As to more reasonable suggestions, I'd like to see a PC release at some point. Whether it be a port of one of the recent games, or a port of a future game, I'd love to see that happen. With the success of niche series on Steam (Neptunia, Ys, etc...), I think it'd do pretty well. In fact, if I could find enough support, I'd love to send a petition/letter to whomever it would be best (Takaki/Tamsoft/Marvelous/Whoever...), asking them to consider a PC port. Consider, of course, so as to not sound too demanding or forceful. Like "we want it, but we believe in their decisions fully."
Absolutely perfect dream to me: PC releases of Shinovi and Estival (I know they're mighty unlikely, but that's why it's my dream.).
As for more out-there ideas, one that I'm surprised few have thought of: A Kingdom Hearts-style action RPG. They already have a pretty robust combat engine, so they could recycle a lot of resources and code into such a game. It'd also invite a deeper narrative for the game to incorporate the story more directly into the game.
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Post by Dai-T on Apr 19, 2015 3:49:17 GMT -5
fans dropped the game quick plus it had a bad story and uninteresting new characters made no reason to care. game did not even get a wiki.. If you ask me, that is the only reason. Story being bad or not is irrelevant considering the fans who actually give a damn for the games' plot are a minority, "uninteresting new characters"? nothing more far from the truth. People can't stop complaining about Naraku not being playable and Kagura is a meme on 2chan. A game having a wiki or not is also irrelevant, that only speaks of the series lacking fans really commited to it rather than the game's quality. Something that is true on the west too, the series only has 5 guides spread over two games in gamefaqs (out of EIGHT hits on their systems) Three of them for Burst and two for Versus. Then they should probably stay away from whoever did the first anime too. I'd never understand the complaints about fanservice on the anime. There's only two scenes that can be considered blatant fanservice: Hanzo's massage and Haruka's "quality time" with Hibari. And the former is played for laughs while the later is meant to be unnerving. The jiggling and panty shots is accurate to the franchise's tone and isn't any worse or different then your current anime. On the other hand, the anime is filled with lots of neat details that give it a ton of personality and some of thhe best expressions I've seen people complain because it was content. idk what they thought not having them playable would do. can't even use there clothes.
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Post by tzitzimine on Apr 19, 2015 4:09:21 GMT -5
That's pretty clear indicative of having interest on both them and SK2
If anything, Bon Appetit is the game that everyone seems to have been forgotten.
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Post by thesameguy on Apr 19, 2015 9:40:03 GMT -5
That's pretty clear indicative of having interest on both them and SK2 If anything, Bon Appetit is the game that everyone seems to have been forgotten. Hey, I brought it up 1 time. Sure, it was a small mentioning, but.........it's the economy's fault?
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Post by [Vitz!] on Apr 19, 2015 12:10:50 GMT -5
After finishing the reading of the SPARK! manga I still think it would be great if in the games the interaction between Katsuragi and Ikaruga gain more depth.
The possibility of having the girls graduated is a good oportunity to use that idea.
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Post by Seventh on Apr 19, 2015 12:43:56 GMT -5
If anything, I'd think a prequel where we see them younger would make more sense. Even if that's what that manga is (no idea), that doesn't mean anything to the games as of now - they could make it a download game or something if it's only got the two of them, even.
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Post by leanmeanlovinmachine on Apr 19, 2015 14:32:25 GMT -5
I think other than SK2 being a console thing with it on the 3DS, advertising might have not allocated what it should have properly. Maybe it should've advertised the fanservice additions or something more.
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