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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2017 20:27:06 GMT -5
Adding NW girls wouldn't really take much spotlight from the other girls. They could still make the original girls stand out while having the new girls get introduced. As a matter of fact, that would make all of them expand more together And yeah tbh if they were to add them now, they don't really need to add any more after (unless it's guest) and could just continue to put all those girls as the focus for the series I feel what you're saying, I just don't want them to be the next "Yumi" where every one isn't nearly as popular because we have this new set of girls taking more Priority Over pre-established ones.
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Post by mongi291 on Nov 13, 2017 1:13:06 GMT -5
Ah, I wouldn’t be opposed at all if they added the New Wave girls without involving them in the story, or at least not in the main one. Give them a few bonus missions to flesh them out to those who don’t know New Wave and that’s it. But if they add them into the main story, the screen time they’ll get is inversely proportional to the focus other characters get, and personally I care more about the “main” 4 teams (when are we gonna get some closure on Homura’s backstory and the origins of Engetsuka?), than characters who have been confined to a JP-only phone game for years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 9:56:37 GMT -5
Ah, I wouldn’t be opposed at all if they added the New Wave girls without involving them in the story, or at least not in the main one. Give them a few bonus missions to flesh them out to those who don’t know New Wave and that’s it. But if they add them into the main story, the screen time they’ll get is inversely proportional to the focus other characters get, and personally I care more about the “main” 4 teams (when are we gonna get some closure on Homura’s backstory and the origins of Engetsuka?), than characters who have been confined to a JP-only phone game for years.
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Post by Poog on Nov 13, 2017 10:14:12 GMT -5
...Am I the only one who doesn't want Senran Kagura to be mainstream, nor to play like Monster Hunter, nor to add all the New Wave girls? Nope. Senran wont ever go mainstream anyway. Its just not fit for that, and thats not bad. Omni is super obsessed about it going mainstream, but the reality is that it never will unless you basically just make it not Senran at all. If it plays like Monster Hunter thats certainly interesting. I dont mind it, and if nothing else I'm really curious to see how that'd be implemented. As for adding all the NW girls? If its keeping up with the story, from a development / writing perspective its currently impossible. Would require more voice actresses, story content, modeling, etc. Also cause I really wanted to comment on @boywithstick's mention of Senran on Kinect, I could TOTALLY see them doing something like it using the Switch's joycons to make like, their own spin on Warioware.
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Post by PurpleFortune on Nov 13, 2017 10:18:45 GMT -5
Yeah there isn't really any chance this franchise would ever go "mainstream", certainly not with it's current... aesthetic choices. If they wanted to be more mainstream, it would require quite the revamp that would certainly not sit well with current fans. Also it's just highly unlikely given some of the words I've seen from the producer. Bless for a fear we don't need to have at least.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 11:25:01 GMT -5
...Am I the only one who doesn't want Senran Kagura to be mainstream, nor to play like Monster Hunter, nor to add all the New Wave girls? Nope. Senran wont ever go mainstream anyway. Its just not fit for that, and thats not bad. Omni is super obsessed about it going mainstream, but the reality is that it never will unless you basically just make it not Senran at all. If it plays like Monster Hunter thats certainly interesting. I dont mind it, and if nothing else I'm really curious to see how that'd be implemented. As for adding all the NW girls? If its keeping up with the story, from a development / writing perspective its currently impossible. Would require more voice actresses, story content, modeling, etc. Also cause I really wanted to comment on @boywithstick 's mention of Senran on Kinect, I could TOTALLY see them doing something like it using the Switch's joycons to make like, their own spin on Warioware. Actually, a WarioWare spinoff sounds better than Refle. You might be on to something.
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Post by omnimegami on Nov 13, 2017 18:25:36 GMT -5
who seriously plays these games for the lore and "character development" anyways? if that stuff was relevant, Senran Kagura would have the mainstream already on board. One Piece is juggling between COUNTRIES worth of more characters than Senran Kagura, and all the strawhats, allies and factions are still relevant and progressing. Naruto introduced tons more ninjas and villages in less years. and it's own Konoha Village has more important and active ninja than SK's first 4 factions combined and SK2 is a step backwards, a sequel that doesn't even design its plot to include new Shinovi teams, is taking steps backward. the designers didn't even know what the hell they were doing with SK2, they make the gameplay a hybrid mess, they have Yoma, and read it added a male character which the Japan fanbase immediately rejected and that was like adding a female player to the NBA. www.gamefaqs.com/boards/835981-senran-kagura-estival-versus/726454041. ground pound OP 2. Frantic OP 3. too short stages 4. too few enemies 5. unbalanced bosses that force fighting them a certain way, which can only be done with exploit methods. yea sure I didnt play SK2 Deep Crimson, but the Japanese fanbase have spoken, even the west have spoken. the fact that there hasn't been a Senran Kagura game developed for 3DS since SK2 Deep Crimson, speaks volumes. SK team are OUTCASTS to the 3DS fanbase. they were forced to leave. SK2 is trash and a disgrace to Shinobi and now Estival's standards. why you think they even dared to make Peach Beach Splash exclusive to PS4? because of Estival's sales, positive reception and well rounded qualities, with even better multiplayer than Shinovi. what really sells Senran Kagura is the character selection, artstyle, full 3D 360 combat, versus modes, of course story matters to a point, but it's filler compared to the overall gameplay side of things. people dont need a deep reason to fight, most people just wanna get to the action, which goes for just about anything, even in anime: of course Senran Kagura can have its character interactions, but they can be more effecient about things instead of being so ADHD they make some game that goes backwards or sideways, like I mean really, was the Senran Kagura Burst remake even necessary, considering how many times they already milked the first two factions' beginnings? it's laughable SK team wants people to go shoulders deep with the story/lore, but they are still going part time with the musou genre that put Senran Kagura on the mainstream map. and it's not like they have talented writers in the first place. I seen better cared for series with more meaningful plot. heck, even Lady Ninja Kasumi was consistent with its multi part movie series. Like really, look how many years Senran Kagura been around, it's been running in circles, keeling over and barely walking a few feet from its crib. And being conceived from the idea of 3D boobs on 3DS, doesn't give its reputation a serious look. its a shame it isnt in better hands.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 18:45:53 GMT -5
who seriously plays these games for the lore and "character development" anyways? if that stuff was relevant, Senran Kagura would have the mainstream already on board. . Like really, look how many years Senran Kagura been around, it's been running in circles, keeling over and barely walking a few feet from its crib. And being conceived from the idea of 3D boobs on 3DS, doesn't give its reputation a serious look. its a shame it isnt in better hands. Well. I personally was interested in everyone's back stories, it made Burst and SK2 intriguing from a character stand point that made them stand out from your average "Large Tits Mcgee." Also, you say the series is running in circles yet, You're adamant on it staying the same with SV and EV. I'm not understanding your point there. Plus, Saying "SK2 is trash and a Disgrace" seems pretty close minded when It's seeming like you haven't played much of It. (But you know what assuming does right?)
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Post by PurpleFortune on Nov 13, 2017 18:57:57 GMT -5
I would be that person, and I don't think these elements have any bearing on it being 'mainstream' or not. The thing is, whether a story can handle a bunch of characters or not is irrelevant, it matters more to me if they're handling them well. Say what you will about Deep Crimson, it sold terribly, perhaps not a lot of people like it the way I do. However I simply do not think the Shinovi girls were necessary in the story, just because they were introduced earlier does not necessarily mean they need to be included in everything after. Similarly a lot of criticisms towards it in my opinion are unfair, or rather can similarly be pointed at other games in the series. I would argue several of the mentioned criticisms are just as valid in Shinovi and to lesser extent, Estival. To me, saying Deep Crimson is a step back feels like people are discouraging experimentation, which is never a good thing.
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Post by omnimegami on Nov 13, 2017 19:27:07 GMT -5
what, but that's even bad game design to add characters then take them away, of course several fighting games do that. but smart developers build up, not take itself apart. even CC2 Naruto fighting games don't cut characters. also SK2 being bad is decided by the sales and reception . the Japanese fanbase hate it, the sales were so bad, SK team can't even make another mainline 3DS Senran Kagura game even if they wanted to. SK2 was a total failure and Marvelous could have literally pulled the plug on the series right then and there. but I do agree that if they add the New Wave characters as DLC only or unlockables that have no involvement in the story, I'm ok with that if the multiplayer/versus modes are as good or better than Estival's. at this point I dont play SK for story. even now, having a 2nd PS4 after the previous one broke, with no save data, I can't stomach even speedrunning SKEV's story mode just to unlock some characters that should already be unlocked at least for the versus modes. like really even modern fighting games don't lock players out of the selection when it comes to vs. modes. also I say SK was running in circles, because 1. after the first game and the game that came after that explored Hebiji side, they released Burst, which is a combination of basically both campaigns together in one game. then they make a cooking game, then Shinovi on Vita, then they go back to 3dS with SK2, then they start building a new canon timeline through Versus with Estival, then Peach Beach Splash is so sideways, I think it takes place after EV, but the whole genre shift was even more jarring than switching from a beat em up to a 3D musou (which is a natural compatible evolution compared to going water TPS). and now they plan 7EVEN....... AFTER revisiting the old Hanzo/Hebijo story AGAIN! oh Yumi might be a guest character. So F***ING WHAT! what about the rest of her team? and the new Hebijo leads? ? oh its a remake of the classic factions. wtf after all these years they wanna tell that old story AGAIN? geez. Senran Kagura devs act like they're gonna live 30 more years making Senran Kagura games. Developers in industry would be fortunate to even complete one videogame sequel, or one videogame for that matter, that doesn't suck. hell even Xenosaga's 6 part series wasn't fully realized, and they were backed by an industry giant.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 19:33:22 GMT -5
A game (or console for that matter) selling poorly isn't always Vindictive of it's overall quality. Fuck, Look at the GameCube. That thing sold horribly and yet still to this day, People say it's Nintendo's Best system.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 19:37:28 GMT -5
what, but that's even bad game design to add characters then take them away, of course several fighting games do that. but smart developers build up, not take itself apart. even CC2 Naruto fighting games don't cut characters. also SK2 being bad is decided by the sales and reception . the Japanese fanbase hate it, the sales were so bad, SK team can't even make another mainline 3DS Senran Kagura game even if they wanted to. SK2 was a total failure and Marvelous could have literally pulled the plug on the series right then and there. but I do agree that if they add the New Wave characters as DLC only or unlockables that have no involvement in the story, I'm ok with that if the multiplayer/versus modes are as good or better than Estival's. at this point I dont play SK for story. even now, having a 2nd PS4 after the previous one broke, with no save data, I can't stomach even speedrunning SKEV's story mode just to unlock some characters that should already be unlocked at least for the versus modes. like really even modern fighting games don't lock players out of the selection when it comes to vs. modes. also I say SK was running in circles, because 1. after the first game and the game that came after that explored Hebiji side, they released Burst, which is a combination of basically both campaigns together in one game. then they make a cooking game, then Shinovi on Vita, then they go back to 3dS with SK2, then they start building a new canon timeline through Versus with Estival, then Peach Beach Splash is so sideways, I think it takes place after EV, but the whole genre shift was even more jarring than switching from a beat em up to a 3D musou (which is a natural compatible evolution compared to going water TPS). and now they plan 7EVEN....... AFTER revisiting the old Hanzo/Hebijo story AGAIN! oh Yumi might be a guest character. So F***ING WHAT! what about the rest of her team? and the new Hebijo leads? ? oh its a remake of the classic factions. wtf after all these years they wanna tell that old story AGAIN? geez. Senran Kagura devs act like they're gonna live 30 more years making Senran Kagura games. Developers in industry would be fortunate to even complete one videogame sequel, or one videogame for that matter, that doesn't suck. hell even Xenosaga's 6 part series wasn't fully realized, and they were backed by an industry giant. Also, The eastern fanbase Opinion's clash with the west's. So fuckin what? If they hate it and we love it, Does that mean we have to Hate it too? (Tee hee, HUM References) And critical reception isn't always what You SHOULD Listen to. Take Sonic Unleashed and IGN's Review on that as an Example.
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Post by 4evashiki on Nov 13, 2017 20:07:00 GMT -5
SK7even should look like this
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 21:28:07 GMT -5
SK7even should look like this Why do the breasts look like pecks?
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Post by PurpleFortune on Nov 13, 2017 22:09:19 GMT -5
Why do the breasts look like pecks? SK7 confirmed to be training arc run by Daidouji?
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