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Post by tzitzimine on Apr 28, 2015 10:18:09 GMT -5
Homura isnt used in any versus advertisements. She got what? Like one store preorder bonus? The same number as Asuka. Your argument is that Homura and Asuka should be in every game when they dont need to be. They dont have the popularity that backs that statement up. Considering the versus games are the best selling ones too and Asuka at most gets on the cover when Homura gets jack, I dont see why Homura is in this discussion. You're being biased here. Homura IS one of the most popular characters in the franchise and unlike Yumi or the twins she's consitently popular through every entry on the franchise WITHOUT any heavy push on marketing. I don't know whay are you so hung up on popularity polls being the absolute truth when they are descriptive at best and don't accurately represent the fandom.
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Post by leanmeanlovinmachine on Apr 28, 2015 10:33:16 GMT -5
Homura isnt used in any versus advertisements. She got what? Like one store preorder bonus? The same number as Asuka. Your argument is that Homura and Asuka should be in every game when they dont need to be. They dont have the popularity that backs that statement up. Considering the versus games are the best selling ones too and Asuka at most gets on the cover when Homura gets jack, I dont see why Homura is in this discussion. You're being biased here. Homura IS one of the most popular characters in the franchise and unlike Yumi or the twins she's consitently popular through every entry on the franchise WITHOUT any heavy push on marketing. I don't know whay are you so hung up on popularity polls being the absolute truth when they are descriptive at best and don't accurately represent the fandom. I'm not being biased. Keep track of what you're trying to argue. You said that Homura and Asuka need to be in every game because they are like absolute zero and scorpion or vegeta and goku or whatever. Why? Their popularity never demands it. You can actually make the case for Yumi since she consistently power gaps everyone in polling and merchandise. I look up those characters you mentioned and they are the most popular ones in the franchise in almost every instance. Homura is liked but not even the most popular on her team. Having games about new characters and new places would be great. I dont know why you're so hung up on Asuka and Homura that the series needs to be tied down to them. They arent special. Especially when Homura isnt used in any of the Versus advertisements and those games again, sell better. I dont know why you would argue for Homura over Yomi, Hikage or Ikaruga. You can scream polls arent valid but give me a reason that validates your thought that the series would absolute keel over and just die.
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Post by tzitzimine on Apr 28, 2015 10:55:26 GMT -5
Ah, I see what is happening here. Your entire argument hinges on popularity, well, you've reading wrong my posts the whole time.
I think that Asuka and Homura need to be present on some form on every game not because they are popular but because THEY REPRESENT THE SPIRIT OF THE FRANCHISE.
Homura and Asuka are two sides of the same coin, they both embodie the different aspects of the franchise: lighthearted humor, the ideals of friendship and courage present on any shounen worth its salt, the crazy ideas that permeate the whole franchise and of course, the fanservice.
In defining a franchise identity popularity is a perk, not a defining factor. Otherwise Ryu and Ken would've been replaced from Street Fighter a long time ago.
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Post by leanmeanlovinmachine on Apr 28, 2015 11:03:19 GMT -5
Alright, so give Asuka a Ayame type role where she runs a shop?
I'd like games with different characters and stories.
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Post by tzitzimine on Apr 28, 2015 12:17:19 GMT -5
It's an option, you can have them take over Kiriya and Hanzo roles as mentors, making them the legendary characters in the vein of Dai and Rin. Be the Sayuri equivalent for a new generation of ninjas, make their daughter/adoptive child the new characters or whatever.
Although if you want different characters and stories, Senran Kagura certainly won't scratch that itch. The player base is too attached to the current cast to make radical changes profitable.
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Post by Seventh on Apr 28, 2015 12:27:54 GMT -5
You're being biased here. In all fairness, I've rarely seen a comment from you that about the Versus games that isn't biased, and never one about Gessen that isn't, though I could have missed them. This isn't meant to "call you out" or anything, to be clear, but rather to hopefully settle this out (as Vitz has pointed out repeatedly, this argument has taken up too much of this thread already). As opinionated creatures, it's just fact that we've all got our biases to some extent. The player base is too attached to the current cast to make radical changes profitable. Didn't I get chewed out for trying to say this same thing a while ago? I do think there's potential in spinoffs, though, so long as they're clearly marked as such. Being announced at the same time as a main game might work, actually. Release the main game first, then drop the spinoff a while later, maybe as a sort of "here's this while you wait for the next main entry" sort of deal. As for the rhythm game stuff from the previous page, agreed with pretty much everything you guys said! The games have great music, I'm surprised to hear they didn't do much with it (I still haven't gotten to BA yet). And not taking advantage of the voice actresses and getting them to sing... Well, that's probably understandable given contracts and stuff, but still.
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Post by leanmeanlovinmachine on Apr 28, 2015 12:28:45 GMT -5
I disagree. Having Versus formats every game would be boring and having different characters, as long as they are presented well would be fine.
I'd like the world to get more expansive with more NPCs like with SK2 does, seeing Yaegashi Nan's characters in his Evenicle guidebook really shows that he can draw all kinds of characters.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 14:57:17 GMT -5
Seriously, you guys are STILL fighting?
I know, I get opinions (no matter if they're biased or not huehueheu) and you have every right to share them, but you guys are really clogging this thread up. Take it to the PMs, guys!
Or in broader terms
STOP FIGHTING ABOUT SILLY STUFF YA FILTHY SCRUBS AND GET TO SUGGESTIN'
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Post by [Vitz!] on Apr 28, 2015 15:53:29 GMT -5
I'd rather not use caps for my scoldings, but you guys get his idea.
Anyway, it could be nice if they used some music from the anime. Specially Shisouron.
And on a side note this kind of "vivid" argument was expected when I first mentioned about creating this topic in this forum, but consider that you can't take this thing going on forever.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 16:11:27 GMT -5
I'd rather not use caps for my scoldings, but you guys get his idea. Anyway, it could be nice if they used some music from the anime. Specially Shisouron. And on a side note this kind of "vivid" argument was expected when I first mentioned about creating this topic in this forum, but consider that you can't take this thing going on forever. Personally, I did the caps for comic effect. But yeah, my point still stands.
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Post by Esare on Apr 28, 2015 20:10:33 GMT -5
{Click.}
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Post by Seventh on Apr 28, 2015 20:25:42 GMT -5
So, here's a crazy suggestion.
A game in whatever format they want like usual, the same time period as normal (no crazy time jumps to the future, no alternate universes, just another game), but the focal characters are different. To explain more clearly, if it was a Versus game or a Versus spinoff, then instead of the focal characters being Asuka, Homura, Yumi, and Miyabi, maybe the game might focus on Hibari, Mirai, Minori, and Murasaki, or maybe it might focus on Katsuragi, Haruka, Yozakura, and Ryobi. That... kind of thing!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 20:40:56 GMT -5
{Click.} im sorry i couldnt resist
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Post by davidgregg on Apr 29, 2015 18:57:28 GMT -5
I want the next game in the main series to be on the PS4 including all schools (even the Mikagura sisters, Jasmine/Sayuri, and Ryoki). 5 member team missions (sometimes school specific but you could also custom make one), hundreds of enemies on screen at one time, massive yoma with ridiculously long HP's. Current gen can handle it so let's go all the way with this. XD
And not to get too crazy here (or am I?) but a new shinobi school with its entire base underwater and some of the girls utilizing sea creatures like Kafuru does.
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Post by ChaddyFantome on Apr 29, 2015 19:27:25 GMT -5
I want the next game in the main series to be on the PS4 including all schools (even the Mikagura sisters, Jasmine/Sayuri, and Ryoki). 5 member team missions (sometimes school specific but you could also custom make one), hundreds of enemies on screen at one time, massive yoma with ridiculously long HP's. Current gen can handle it so let's go all the way with this. XD And not to get too crazy here (or am I?) but a new shinobi school with its entire base underwater and some of the girls utilizing sea creatures like Kafuru does. WhatisthisIdon'teven!!!! On a side note, I don't see the Mikagura's coming back. Besides, they are short a member.
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