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Post by thesameguy on Mar 27, 2015 23:23:20 GMT -5
Okay, continuing on from my previous idea, I had this thought that what if Ikaruga and Katsuragi were fighting against the ninja council or whatever makes all these ninja rules? Fueled by what happened to her parents, Katsuragi would rebel against them so no one else would have to go what she went through. Ikaruga would help her and perhaps they could get Daidouji and Rin to some extent because Rin went through a similar thing (I think), but would leave Katsuragi and Ikaruga to do it on their own power.
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Post by [Vitz!] on Mar 28, 2015 1:04:26 GMT -5
That was kind of what I was thinking when the idea of Katsuragi and Ikaruga being main characters came to mind.
But I thought something a lot harsher for Katsuragi like somebody from the good shinobi faction actualy killing her parents which is totally possible since they are renegades and the only thing that awaits them is death by the hand (if not by themselves) by the hands of other shinobi.
And I though about the Homura Crimson Squad also making a important appearance since they are also renegades but competent shinobi and because of that they can kind of create something like an "Shinobi Agency" where the group act as some kind of "freelancers" or something working independently.
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Post by Seventh on Mar 28, 2015 1:24:51 GMT -5
Okay, continuing on from my previous idea, I had this thought that what if Ikaruga and Katsuragi were fighting against the ninja council or whatever makes all these ninja rules? I'm... not really a fan of this idea, for reasons I mentioned a while back. Also, unless they want to jump the shark, this would presumably require a time machine since the rules have been established since long before they were born. Is it really that terrible that they have the rules? I'd much rather stories told within them than cliche stories of breaking them. That seems to be all anything does anymore. It's so boring...
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Post by thesameguy on Mar 28, 2015 1:44:13 GMT -5
Okay, continuing on from my previous idea, I had this thought that what if Ikaruga and Katsuragi were fighting against the ninja council or whatever makes all these ninja rules? I'm... not really a fan of this idea, for reasons I mentioned a while back. Also, unless they want to jump the shark, this would presumably require a time machine since the rules have been established since long before they were born. Is it really that terrible that they have the rules? I'd much rather stories told within them than cliche stories of breaking them. That seems to be all anything does anymore. It's so boring.[/ font]..
Originality is hard to come by these days. There's always Senran Kart.
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Post by [Vitz!] on Mar 28, 2015 2:24:58 GMT -5
I approve you idea, as you can see in the other pages.
I see nothing boring about breaking the rules and I think originality is not something people should care about anymore.
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Post by Seventh on Mar 28, 2015 2:49:42 GMT -5
I... actually didn't say anything about originality! My issue is, no offense, one of quality.
These rules are established things that have been fact since long before the characters were born. These rules aren't things they should be questioning or thinking about denying to the extent you guys are suggesting - it's like saying one day you want to deny gravity because it's not fair you can't fly. It honestly feels like humanity's writers are having a collective temper tantrum when our response to stories with rules is always to break them and destroy. Plus, it just makes everything that came before feel like a colossal waste of time.
Why bother getting invested in this world if the writer can't bother to do anything within their own rules that they set, and their only solution is to take the easy way out and erase them all?
It just makes for really weak storytelling to actually go there. It's one thing for characters to defy rules or try to work around them, but to actually beat them and change their world when we're talking about the way their world works and things that have been parts of it since long before they were born? That's just... cheap, and yeah, getting to be pretty overdone too.
And because it's been overdone, it means we can point to times and examples of how it can be done well, yeah, but I just really don't like the idea at all. I get that this is a suggestion for a spinoff, but it seems like a spinoff that can only result in the destroying the entire franchise, not adding anything to it. Once you make the "rules" the enemy, you can't go back to when they were being followed in other games. Just... leave 'em be, I say. But to each their own I guess.
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Post by [Vitz!] on Mar 28, 2015 4:11:20 GMT -5
When I was talking about originality I wasn't really talking about you. I understood what you said. And I don't actualy want characters to destroy, deny or erase the rules, but to mold them to something better since as old as rules can be rules are never perfect because human beings can't actualy be perfect. And molding the system is a bit different of simply defying the system in my point of view. That said I think characters should break some rules here and there to prove their points but without destroying the whole system since that is too hard to do alone and needs years of preparation and enough people and power to do that. History is there to prove what I'm saying. None of the characters shown in Senran Kagura acutaly have the kind of power needed to change anything and even with a lot of shinobi I don't think it would be that easy to break the system. What we actualy have in the series is characters that want to show what they think is wrong in the shinobi system to other shinobi characters and actualy showing a better way of living this harsh world (the friendship trope so recurrent in the series can be used as an example in my opinion). That's a start of a very small, slow and somewhat peaceful "revolution" in the shinobi system. And about cliche and overdone things: I already surpassed that in fiction, so I have no reason to bother about that. If you take a closer look at a lot of works you will see that almost everything is overdone and cliche in some way or another, so why someone should even bother about this? I'm more preoccupied on how they use those cliche and overdone things. Anyway. I think Katsuragi and Ikaruga (in my idea of having them in their own game) "fighting the system" would be a bit different from what are you actualy saying and what thesameguy is probably thinking. In my head things should be a lot more foccused in the development of the characters themselves than in that whole system thing. ____________________________________________________________________ Now back to the suggestions... Katsuragi actualy does "fight the system" in her own way and clearly states how she will do that in Burst, but when I think about her adult self and how things could turn out through the years a lot of ideas come to mind. I think that their parents can't hide forever and probably are still being pursued by the shinobi system since they refused to kill themselves/being killed after failing in missions. One day they will be found and killed. With that in mind a lot of things could happen: - The obvious and less sad one: They don't get killed at all because Katsu finally gets enough power to protect them. - After they find her parents, as some kind of absurd fate, she would be sent on a mission to kill her parents (they wouldn't give too much details to her like names and etc, just a physical description of them), but obviously she don't do this and thus become a renegade just like her parents for failing the mission. - Using the same idea above, she would be sent on that mission with somebody else and that one would be the killer of her parents. She would then pursue the killer to take revenge on him/her and become a renegade for killing a fellow good shinobi. - Katsuragi wouldn't be sent in the same mission as the killer, but in some way she would discover the killer and want revenge. - Their parents would be killed and she would became the Dark Shinobi, Batsuragi. top kek- Their parents would be killed and she could discover that but instead of taking revenge she would try in some way to change this whole thing of the failing shinobi being disposed like that in some way I can't imagine right now. Ikaruga would be a big help in this since I don't see the idea of taking revenge fitting a lawful character like her. In the end those were my ideas for Katsuragi specifically. I think that the more sad or chaotic ones I said fit her better since Katsuragi is not even close to a cold character and acts recklessly. After the events of killing the assassin she would try to live her own way instead of becoming an evil shinobi like Homura and other characters did. She would even be something like a "freelancer shinobi". If Ikaruga did intervene Katsu's revenge things would be different but I won't say those in this post because it is becoming too big. I thank anybody who was patient enough read this to the end.
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Post by Seventh on Mar 28, 2015 12:32:15 GMT -5
And about cliche and overdone things: I already surpassed that in fiction, so I have no reason to bother about that. If you take a closer look at a lot of works you will see that almost everything is overdone and cliche in some way or another, so why someone should even bother about this? I'm more preoccupied on how they use those cliche and overdone things. To clarify a little, part of this was the "recently" part. I can think of at least three huge Vita games offhand that did it, a lot of the biggest anime in recent memory, and stuff like that. It's not so much that it's been done period that it bothers me, but it's that it's all being overdone all at the same time. I don't mind cliches, but that gets back to the temper tantrum thing I was saying - because it's like... happening all around the same time (so maybe it's just this generation of writers?), it feels like everywhere I look, it's the same thing. I mean, what I'm saying is , I would totally be okay with other cliches, it's just this one that seems like it's everywhere right now. Moderation really helps your quality go up. That said, it does sound like we were talking about different things (I was thinking about, say, what... ... I can't say it because saying any example of what I mean would give the ending away, but yeah), though all my other comments aside, I'm still a bit iffy on the series going into such a dark direction. Iunno. It doesn't sound bad, though! Just maybe not what I'd be looking for in an SK game. Anyway, I've been commenting enough, better give more of my own suggestions: - Another game like Burst. / Burst ported to Sony systems with new content. Just... something to get that gameplay back. - A bigger post-game in the games beyond upping the difficulty and multiplayer, or something that adds a little more replay value. - Some kind of "real" game that has the New Wave girls. If giving them all complete movesets would be too hard, then do a collaboration with some RPG developer so they don't have to be action heroines. - Actually making the different schools more... school-like. In Burst, it was shown there were tons of Hebijo students and they could even have more than five elites, yet we still stick to the "only five students" formula for some reason. And it just doesn't make sense to me that the "good" school only has five students period in it. So even if they don't get fleshed out, I'd really like to see them add in NPCs and classmates and other stuff like that. In general, I think the games could use a lot more fluff and filler between stages. It would be fantastic for world building and character interactions. - A crazy collaboration game would be fun. CH used to do stuff like that with NIS and Gust but since both of them are off the table, maybe Marvelous could join in for one and do Senran Kagura x Neptune or something. Or just more cameo characters, but if they do that, they gotta get DxD characters in.
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Post by [Vitz!] on Mar 28, 2015 14:01:14 GMT -5
Have I said I would love to see that flick aerial that Katsuragi had in Burst in later games? That move was so awesome, they could rebalance it instead of completely removing it.
And a Burst remake for any console they have in mind is welcome for me.
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Post by TheAtom on Mar 30, 2015 3:43:30 GMT -5
And a Burst remake for any console they have in mind is welcome for me. I doubt anyone is going to remake a current gen game... If anything, it'll be a port, but that I highly doubt as well... I wouldn't mind a port (and localization) of New Wave though, but that's been discussed already. Some other suggestions: 1. Character creation. No need for a separate story for them, but just a character creation with some preset headshapes, some extra haircuts, some face-sliders, body-sliders in height and width (and I'm talking Mirai-skinny to Chouji-chubby (from Naruto, remember?)). But that goes for any game, I want to be able to play as and make a chubby character... And then, ideally of course, several voices to choose from. These voices just need to do in-battle vocals as far as I'm concerned, but it would be nice not to have to go with an already existent voice, and be able to choose from, say 3 voices male, 3 voices female or something of the sort (and then maybe including a pitch slider and such like you having in SC V). 2. A New Wave character spin-off/main game. It could be for the 3DS in the style of Burst, or Vita in the style of the Versus games, or just an entirely different game, that focuses ONLY on New Wave characters, so we can finally give them some proper background and storyline without needing to focus on Asuka and Yumi so much. 3. An ARC Angels/Milky Pop idol/rpg game. Mix in some Neptunia: PP gameplay with some proper RPG combat, and I'm hooked! Doesn't even have to be RPG, but it might be easier to work with. I personally think that they are fine enough with the stories, so I wouldn't want to touch on story-writing here.
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Post by [Vitz!] on Mar 30, 2015 5:13:54 GMT -5
A remake is a suggestion for a more distant future. Burst don't have more than 5 years to be worth it right now.
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Post by TheAtom on Mar 30, 2015 5:43:52 GMT -5
Ah okay. I'd say it's only worth another release if there's, for example, an actual successor of the 3DS.
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Post by Esare on Mar 30, 2015 8:07:42 GMT -5
Some Suggestions! 1. Probably would be a cool Idea for a Prequel for the Series, But not based on when it was Just Katsuragi and Ikaruga, I mean More Deeper. Probably when Hanzo was still Young, when he was still friends with Kurokage, Fighting for Jasmine heheh. Probably a good Chance to introduce or Create some new characters (Probably a good start for Some Male Characters aswell) that they could introduce as the times pass in the game, Would really what to see on how Hanzo Academy became "Hanzo" Academy. Probably See young Rin or Daidouji along the way or Ryouki as a Cameo! play through Events that are Flashbacks in the games now. 2. A Fighter game of SK would be a sweet idea, They have the whole NW Roster to pretty much have a Large Fighter Done. With the Dressing room and Online :dance: 3. Ripping this feature from the Neptunia games but it would be a cool feature to add: The Custom Templates. could be a Blank Canvas for Artists do create their own costumes and Bikinis and sorts! Just wouldn't know how to add the 'Breakable' into the Templates, probably would be just an Unbreakable Skin under the Outfits, But Image a Yoko Littner Skin for Ryoubi! Or could Have Souji's (Or any character in Skin-tights) Outfit on any of the Characters {Spoiler: Click to show}Vert with Ikaruga Skin. {Spoiler: Click to show}Aswell It could also be a 'Snuck-under-the-rug' Way to add in some NSFW Skins aswell Since they seem to be trying to push the Censorship Out of their games...
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Post by Seventh on Mar 30, 2015 17:40:56 GMT -5
3. An ARC Angels/Milky Pop idol/rpg game. Mix in some Neptunia: PP gameplay with some proper RPG combat, and I'm hooked! Doesn't even have to be RPG, but it might be easier to work with. Don't forget Kosuzu's team! They're not the same kind of musician, but I bet they can rock out loud too. And I approve of all the New Wave related ideas too - though would it be so bad if the main characters (at least Hanzo and Hebijo) are in it since some of the NW characters know them? Even if only as NPCs or through reference, anyway. To add to this, I'd kind of like to see a second New Wave. I'm not sure how they could implement it, but I think idolm@ster did something similar when it added a second mobile game? If not a second mobile game though, then a second something I guess. I dunno, I think it'd be neat.
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Post by TheAtom on Mar 31, 2015 6:39:31 GMT -5
3. An ARC Angels/Milky Pop idol/rpg game. Mix in some Neptunia: PP gameplay with some proper RPG combat, and I'm hooked! Doesn't even have to be RPG, but it might be easier to work with. Don't forget Kosuzu's team! They're not the same kind of musician, but I bet they can rock out loud too. And I approve of all the New Wave related ideas too - though would it be so bad if the main characters (at least Hanzo and Hebijo) are in it since some of the NW characters know them? Even if only as NPCs or through reference, anyway. To add to this, I'd kind of like to see a second New Wave. I'm not sure how they could implement it, but I think idolm@ster did something similar when it added a second mobile game? If not a second mobile game though, then a second something I guess. I dunno, I think it'd be neat. Oh yes! That's true! I love Chiyo's design, and it would definitely fit the bill! Sure! I think it would even add to the value of a New Wave centered game if it references the main characters! The extent to which this is done needs to be looked at with care though, because if you put a significant amount of them in there, people will want to play as those characters, rather than just seeing them. I'd like something with New Wave at least indeed. Just to get to know the characters better (although it'd help if Marvelous EU decided to localize NW itself already) at the very least, and ideally also to see some cool combat!
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