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Post by Juihau on Apr 8, 2015 17:54:03 GMT -5
I don't know if it's in SK2 due to not having played it yet, but this is a pretty small thing that I noticed wasn't present in EV. It'd be nice if there was an option to set the system voice to "classic," where it depends on the team your character's part of (Daidouji for Hanzo, Rin for Crimson/Hebijo, etc.), or to change to whatever character's currently selected (like how the menus were in Burst/SV).
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Post by Dai-T on Apr 9, 2015 9:42:37 GMT -5
I think at this point looking at the numbers they need a new wave game to be the start of a new main series get rid of all the old girls or give them side rolls the games and stories are going in circles now it needs to end.
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Post by Seventh on Apr 9, 2015 10:01:24 GMT -5
I think at this point looking at the numbers they need a new wave game to be the start of a new main series get rid of all the old girls or give them side rolls the games and stories are going in circles now it needs to end. That seems too extreme to me. Just having a side series should be fine, or even just a side game, with the NW girls. You can't get rid of the old ones - that'd just be suicide for Marvelous.
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Post by Dai-T on Apr 9, 2015 15:51:42 GMT -5
I think at this point looking at the numbers they need a new wave game to be the start of a new main series get rid of all the old girls or give them side rolls the games and stories are going in circles now it needs to end. That seems too extreme to me. Just having a side series should be fine, or even just a side game, with the NW girls. You can't get rid of the old ones - that'd just be suicide for Marvelous. tell me where is the main story and character headed you can't they keep going over the same stuff fans won't mind now because they had years of new wave tease. they run the risk of the next game flat out bombing if they don't change the characters up.
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Post by Seventh on Apr 9, 2015 18:30:57 GMT -5
New Wave isn't a "tease," New Wave is New Wave.
The next game will bomb if they change the characters up like that. No question. They could have done it if it had been the first sequel or maybe the second, but it's too late now - the series' identity has been established, and these characters are a part of it. They would destroy their fanbase doing something like that. That's probably another reason Valkyrie Drive exists.
The series doesn't need a main story anyway as long as each game has one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 19:01:00 GMT -5
New Wave girls are never going to get a proper game.
They'll keep the same old girls and add new ones as usual. It's too late for the NW girls.
At best we could get New Wave 2 with 50 new girls...
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Post by Dai-T on Apr 9, 2015 19:08:33 GMT -5
New Wave isn't a "tease," New Wave is New Wave. The next game will bomb if they change the characters up like that. No question. They could have done it if it had been the first sequel or maybe the second, but it's too late now - the series' identity has been established, and these characters are a part of it. They would destroy their fanbase doing something like that. That's probably another reason Valkyrie Drive exists. The series doesn't need a main story anyway as long as each game has one. the series identity is busting boob action the characters can be changed so many get little to no votes now add new faces dump old ones. also alot of the characters troupes are warn out so will fans really care about missing girls.
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Post by Seventh on Apr 9, 2015 20:03:47 GMT -5
That's not what I was talking about. The characters are a part of its identity. Furthermore, votes don't mean anything. A person voting for Yumi doesn't mean they dislike everyone else, it means they like Yumi most. The polls don't say at all that the cast won't be missed - that's a leap in logic that makes no sense at all.
Yes, they will. Stronger franchises have been destroyed over moves like that, and others took years to get back on their feet by getting the "real" cast back in the following games. If it had started off from the beginning as a franchise that rotated its cast, it would be one thing, but it made itself one that has a constant one.
Hell, Neptunia couldn't even do one game with just making the main characters side characters without the fanbase reacting poorly to it. It just doesn't work that way.
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Post by [Vitz!] on Apr 9, 2015 22:36:45 GMT -5
I think using old characters in new ways while introducing new characters is the best way.
Just throwing the older characters aside while introducing new characters is suicide. A lot of other game franchises tried that after using old characters for sometime and they got negative responses (sometimes because fans are just a bunch of assholes who don't accept change and others for a lot of good reasons).
I remember the case of Soul Calibur, where a lot of old characters wern't in the fifth game and a lot of fans (including me) didn't give the game a try at all because a lot of characters they like "vanished" or "died".
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Post by Dai-T on Apr 9, 2015 23:02:49 GMT -5
That's not what I was talking about. The characters are a part of its identity. Furthermore, votes don't mean anything. A person voting for Yumi doesn't mean they dislike everyone else, it means they like Yumi most. The polls don't say at all that the cast won't be missed - that's a leap in logic that makes no sense at all. Yes, they will. Stronger franchises have been destroyed over moves like that, and others took years to get back on their feet by getting the "real" cast back in the following games. If it had started off from the beginning as a franchise that rotated its cast, it would be one thing, but it made itself one that has a constant one. Hell, Neptunia couldn't even do one game with just making the main characters side characters without the fanbase reacting poorly to it. It just . doesn't work that way. so how many girls will the next have? you can't write a story like this. no one dies
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Post by [Vitz!] on Apr 9, 2015 23:57:21 GMT -5
Simple answer: Move forward and graduate the girls. This will help solving the problem.
Specially if you continue using them as professional shinobi since this open a path for a good portion of stories.
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Post by Dai-T on Apr 10, 2015 4:43:50 GMT -5
Simple answer: Move forward and graduate the girls. This will help solving the problem. Specially if you continue using them as professional shinobi since this open a path for a good portion of stories. but if they do that then they need new students. which they should do.
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Post by TheAtom on Apr 10, 2015 5:16:36 GMT -5
Simple answer: Move forward and graduate the girls. This will help solving the problem. Specially if you continue using them as professional shinobi since this open a path for a good portion of stories. but if they do that then they need new students. which they should do. And that's where New Wave could come in. We already got New Hebijo and New Hanzo anyway. Hyperdimension Neptunia's a different story anyway, since the main attraction in the game WAS Neptune. As mentioned above, SK is different. Its MAIN attraction is boobs (large ones, to be precise), and its side attractions are good combat, and well designed characters. It can do without Asuka, Yumi, Homura and Haruka, if they can bring in different large-chested ladies that could take that cover spot. I'm pretty sure that characters' popularity is HEAVILY dependent on the amount of advertisement they use for it (besides just the type of girl they make of course. You can know beforehand a sadistic Haruka type character is going to attract particular fans, whereas a less cutesie-styled character as Imu is going to attract less attention. They have enough NW characters that could take that front spot). IF they do this, though, I would vote for a proper spin-off, and then either an Arc System Works-styled fighter (not in the sense of 2D, since 3D is part of the game's attraction as well I think, but in the sense of story-heavy (or at least dialogue-heavy)), or a proper (Turn based) RPG, perhaps à la Neptunia (to mention a similar game), but I'm thinking Persona's skeleton might fit the large chests of SK better.
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Post by Dai-T on Apr 10, 2015 7:40:16 GMT -5
but if they do that then they need new students. which they should do. And that's where New Wave could come in. We already got New Hebijo and New Hanzo anyway. Hyperdimension Neptunia's a different story anyway, since the main attraction in the game WAS Neptune. As mentioned above, SK is different. Its MAIN attraction is boobs (large ones, to be precise), and its side attractions are good combat, and well designed characters. It can do without Asuka, Yumi, Homura and Haruka, if they can bring in different large-chested ladies that could take that cover spot. I'm pretty sure that characters' popularity is HEAVILY dependent on the amount of advertisement they use for it (besides just the type of girl they make of course. You can know beforehand a sadistic Haruka type character is going to attract particular fans, whereas a less cutesie-styled character as Imu is going to attract less attention. They have enough NW characters that could take that front spot). IF they do this, though, I would vote for a proper spin-off, and then either an Arc System Works-styled fighter (not in the sense of 2D, since 3D is part of the game's attraction as well I think, but in the sense of story-heavy (or at least dialogue-heavy)), or a proper (Turn based) RPG, perhaps à la Neptunia (to mention a similar game), but I'm thinking Persona's skeleton might fit the large chests of SK better. this 100%
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Post by Seventh on Apr 10, 2015 9:49:49 GMT -5
Simple answer: Move forward and graduate the girls. This will help solving the problem. Specially if you continue using them as professional shinobi since this open a path for a good portion of stories. I still don't really agree with this one, to be honest. I also fail to see the huge issue with what we have now anyway that it's apparently going to be the death of the series. Most long running franchises prove that wrong. So long as this series can manage to have stories in each game, I really don't see why there needs to be any overarching plot or any of this grimdark edgy stuff - in fact, I'd advise against that since it makes new players less inclined to pick up those games. To compare to Neptunia, characters are characters, and the breasts here might be more akin to Neptunia's parodying and referencing things. Those are the things that set those series apart and make them unique - but their characters, if the creators go in that direction, are something separate, core, and constant, and that's true for anything with characters. They're the things you see taking part in those unique things and the things that become just as much a part of the series as those unique things like bouncing or parodying over time. In other words, graduating them wouldn't be so dfferent from killing them off or erasing them - it's the same as what happened in SCV, really. They wouldn't be the characters people know and like anymore. The thing is, people, gamers especially, hate change - if they had wanted to switch up the cast, it needed to happen in the second or third game, not after five, various manga, an anime, and an OVA about this cast. If you want SK with new characters, play Valkyrie Drive. Unless you want the series to end, I don't think it could really handle that big an identity change this far in. The New Waves out and out replacing the cast would just make the New Waves end up hated - keeping them as additional things or separate things is the only way to approach that one, though even then, I think you guys are overestimating the importance of it to the franchise as a whole. It's becoming fairly common for franchises to have mobile games with new or even completely different characters that only appear there. It's also common for that mobile game to have its own fans that don't touch the main product - it's a niche within a niche, and catering to it over the majority probably wouldn't do well. That's why giving the New Waves a spinoff could work much better - it doesn't hurt the status quo Marvelous has established for the main games and at the same time it gives us New Waves. That's the way to go there. Sorry if I sound off putting, but seeing how the market turns on people who try to do things like this, uh, yeah. ( ) For the record, I personally think some of these ideas might be interesting, but I just also think they could/would kill the series far sooner than what we have now would.
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