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Post by Seventh on Apr 26, 2015 0:35:37 GMT -5
To be fair, I don't think fighting game fans are as fond of handhelds, meaning that port may mostly have been for the handheld crowd rather than the fighting crowd. KT still consistently puts almost all their Warriors games on handhelds and there are even some exclusive handheld ones now.
I'd like to think they could keep making games for all of them, or whatever they want, but it's probably too soon to tell. Valkyrie Drive and the new Tamsoft-developed Neptunia spinoff do hint that they're still making Vita games at Tamsoft, at least. The quality of the Vita ports might go down, but I doubt they'd drop Vita support completely right away, all things considered.
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Post by leanmeanlovinmachine on Apr 26, 2015 1:14:02 GMT -5
As much as I love the Vita and believe that it is the ideal handheld for this series, if Marvelous wants to see SK continue to grow outside of Japan they may want to stick with Sony only for the PS4 and use the 3DS as the primary handheld. The inclusion of a PS4 version has already dampened the chances of the vita version doing well when it gets localized in it's already struggling Western market. Take Dead or Alive 5 Plus for example (vita version of original DOA5). Game was a fantastic port (great graphics, held a solid 60fps, online crossplay with the PS3 version, and even included some temporary exclusives). It had all the ingredients for success especially for a fighting game that was fairly popular on the PS3/360. Well much to TN's dismay it didn't do well (has sold 0.1M units total as of last month). They pulled out of the Vita market quickly and the handheld unfortunately has not seen a single update since (they're now focusing on PS4/X1/PC). Dead or Alive Dimensions on the other hand was a 3DS exclusive and although inferior in pretty much all aspects imo to 5+ (don't get me wrong it's still a fun game) the total sold is 0.36M. Deep Crimson's release this summer I think will determine whether or not they will continue the 3DS route but if they really focused on the handheld (including ALL of the girls so that players don't feel gimped) it could go further. I think the Japanese sales are the primary buyers of this series and the ones who buy it the most. I think the series sells well enough in the west but not for it to determine what marvelous is going to do. It took them forever just to get a worldwide pokemon game release even though pokemon games always sold more in the west than in Japan just cause of the number of buyers for that type a game.
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Post by davidgregg on Apr 26, 2015 1:46:28 GMT -5
Those are all good points and being a vita owner myself I of course still want the series to be released on it.
I still think though that as SK steadily grows attention outside of Japan the 3DS is the better handheld choice. It might be difficult as "sexy" amidst Pokemon and Mario games awkwardly stand out but Nintendo is letting them test the waters ("Happy Boobs" LE...I mean come on XD) and it might just work so that they continue the main series on 3DS and keep the spinoffs for Sony.
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Post by tzitzimine on Apr 26, 2015 2:05:13 GMT -5
Something important to keep on mind is:
a) Both the Vita and the 3DS are on the final stretch of their lives. Nintendo has a new console into the works and is looking into the mobile industry while Sony has pretty much abandoned the Vita as console. For them is more of a gadget for the PS4
b) The japanese videogame market has been getting smaller at a frankly alarming pace on the last few years, while the western market keeps going strong.
Unless there's a noticeable shift within the Japanese market anytime soon, the western importance will only become greater. Specially for niche series as Senran Kagura (let's not forget that Neptunia is way more successful on the west than the east, while worldswide sales convinced Bamco to greenlight a sequel to Project X Zone)
If we don't get news of a new Senran Kagura project soon, I wouldn't be surprised if Marvelous uses that time to analyze the market and see what is the best option to continue the series.
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Post by davidgregg on Apr 26, 2015 2:39:32 GMT -5
Hate all of this mobile crap. I at least understand why SEGA is focusing on it since they've been declining for a long time now. The 3DS I think can hold off a little longer and is in a better position than the Vita though. So long as they release well known titles like Mario and Pokemon (and now these Amiibos are spreading like wild fires everywhere) it may not have the numbers it once did but there's still a market for it and they have big titles like SSB (3DS version has sold roughly 6 million units) that bring in the $$$. Also another Animal Crossing game is coming out this year and they tend to do very well.
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Post by Seventh on Apr 26, 2015 11:03:22 GMT -5
Those are all good points and being a vita owner myself I of course still want the series to be released on it. I still think though that as SK steadily grows attention outside of Japan the 3DS is the better handheld choice. It might be difficult as "sexy" amidst Pokemon and Mario games awkwardly stand out but Nintendo is letting them test the waters ("Happy Boobs" LE...I mean come on XD) and it might just work so that they continue the main series on 3DS and keep the spinoffs for Sony. The problem there is that that's a double edged sword. While it provides something unique for Nintendo consoles whereas more niche stuff is more common on Sony's, thus giving it an edge over the competition, that does come with the risk of the people who want Nintendo to stay "pure" not wanting it on there or misunderstanding it completely because they won't give it the chance. Something important to keep on mind is: a) Both the Vita and the 3DS are on the final stretch of their lives. Nintendo has a new console into the works and is looking into the mobile industry while Sony has pretty much abandoned the Vita as console. For them is more of a gadget for the PS4 b) The japanese videogame market has been getting smaller at a frankly alarming pace on the last few years, while the western market keeps going strong. Unless there's a noticeable shift within the Japanese market anytime soon, the western importance will only become greater. Specially for niche series as Senran Kagura (let's not forget that Neptunia is way more successful on the west than the east, while worldswide sales convinced Bamco to greenlight a sequel to Project X Zone) If we don't get news of a new Senran Kagura project soon, I wouldn't be surprised if Marvelous uses that time to analyze the market and see what is the best option to continue the series. I think it's important to keep in mind that since Marvelous is a third party, it really doesn't matter what Sony does (unless they flat out shut down Vita's PSN or ban people from developing for it, which is highly doubtful). Not to mention that, in Japan, Sony's treatment and support for the Vita is a very different animal compared to the way it's been mishandled in the West. There are massive campaigns for Vita exclusive titles, Sony of Japan helps out with third party titles, there is a lot going on over there that, while possibly small looking compared to stuff, say, the PS4 gets here, is huge compared to what the Vita gets from Sony of America and probably from Sony EU too. To add to that, there were new PSP games coming out as recently as last year - some multiplatform, but the point stands that Sony consoles tend to have long lifespans even after they "die" - look at how many people are still developing PS3 titles, and we even just got wind of some PSP localizations recently too. Though I wonder if these things are really that more successful in the West, or if it's just that because the population outside of Japan is so much larger, the percentage of niche fans might be exactly the same as in Japan but the number of interested people could skyrocket because you're opening the doors to them.
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Post by davidgregg on Apr 26, 2015 15:30:35 GMT -5
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Post by leanmeanlovinmachine on Apr 26, 2015 15:35:24 GMT -5
I dont know if the Vita is near the end of it's timeline or not. It depends entirely I think on how powerful the next nintendo handheld is. If it's on par or not as good as the Vita's, if I were sony, I'd push it more since they have an install base especially so in Japan. And neptunia games sell more in the west because they dont sell in Japan. You cant say that for SK. I also doubt the validity of that statement. I think that only applies to their first PS3 game. Also rankings for January 1st to March 31st PSN rankings are up. PSV/PSP store EV is ranked number 7. PS4 store EV is ranked number 14. Pretty good I'd say with the game only being out 5 days by that time. www.jp.playstation.com/psn/store/cp/150424_ranking_spring/index.html
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Post by BlakJakXXI on Apr 26, 2015 15:37:46 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, sexism is a form of discrimination against a specific gender. As far as I can tell, Senran Kagura doesn't even have anything like that. :/
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Post by leanmeanlovinmachine on Apr 26, 2015 15:45:38 GMT -5
If Nintendo doesnt allow them to do full strips and stuff like that (It wasnt in SK2), I'd want marvelous just to pull out of the 3DS all together. Fanservice game should have fanservice.
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Post by davidgregg on Apr 26, 2015 15:48:24 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, sexism is a form of discrimination against a specific gender. As far as I can tell, Senran Kagura doesn't even have anything like that. :/ Sweden is just weird when it comes to this kind of stuff. They banned Dead or Alive Dimensions because it featured underage fighters with a photo mode that could be viewed as sexual in nature (aka underwear shots). Absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by Seventh on Apr 26, 2015 16:34:44 GMT -5
And neptunia games sell more in the west because they dont sell in Japan. You cant say that for SK. I also doubt the validity of that statement. I think that only applies to their first PS3 game. Well, yes and no. Neptunia can have pretty niche appeal even for Japan, whereas people in the West ignore a lot of that appeal/miss it completely and just like it for the basics/don't care, which is less of a big deal in Japan since "the basics" it's more popular for here are more common there. Though even then, CH is happy with how the games do. They just don't expect as high, so I'm not sure one can say "they don't sell" if they do sell what the company was expecting/hoping for the most part, even if that's not as high as what is considered successful for a different series.
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Post by leanmeanlovinmachine on Apr 26, 2015 17:27:54 GMT -5
Well, the games dont cost a lot to make. Their games are the definition of reused assets. Compile Heart is trashed a lot by Japanese gamers. Their new game just came out. I expect something not much more than what EV's PS4 did.
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Post by Dai-T on Apr 26, 2015 17:40:41 GMT -5
If Nintendo doesnt allow them to do full strips and stuff like that (It wasnt in SK2), I'd want marvelous just to pull out of the 3DS all together. Fanservice game should have fanservice. 3ds or any Nintendo system will only see spin offs uless Nintendo release a more powerful system marvelous is not doing double work.
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Post by Seventh on Apr 26, 2015 18:28:34 GMT -5
Well, the games dont cost a lot to make. Their games are the definition of reused assets. Compile Heart is trashed a lot by Japanese gamers. Their new game just came out. I expect something not much more than what EV's PS4 did. Like I said, it's more niche and they don't aim as high, they aim for their goal instead, I feel. What would be considered a fail for Company A might be a success for Company B based on what went into the game and what their expectations were and all that.
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