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Post by Seventh on May 13, 2015 21:42:48 GMT -5
I really don't think New Wave getting better art is proof one way or the other it's successful - it not getting plug pulled yet maybe, but consider this.
If a random guy in America who isn't paying a cent can sit comfortably in the top 200 ranked players for the current event and has never dropped too drastically low in others, are they actually making that much off it? It's pretty clear Yaegashi isn't doing as much art for the series anymore, and NW definitely isn't using him for every single card. The quality varies way too much.
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Post by leanmeanlovinmachine on May 13, 2015 21:50:30 GMT -5
I don't play NW or mobile games for that matter. The report apparently makes no mention other than the mobile section doing very well which includes New Wave. I don't know much about the market but the quality of the new waves cards seems up SK I thought that was a sign. I think Nan is doing more art for the series than ever. He doesn't do everything though as there are a lot of CGs in EV because of the heart stories. If the next game isn't versus game I expect him to do it all like SK2z
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Post by Seventh on May 13, 2015 22:04:01 GMT -5
Marvelous has plenty of mobile games, though. They always try to get me to play them when NW is down for maintenance or updating after an event. As for Yaegashi, I honestly don't think he's doing as much as we think. Some of the NW cards have really messed up proportions if you look at them long enough, and Yaegashi's art (that we absolutely know is Yaegashi's) is never that bad. And when I'm looking at this and even this and I compare it to this? Maybe it's just me, but some of this stuff really just looks... I dunno, sloppy compared to other stuff he's doing now and previous games? That is if it still is Yaegashi. Even that first one I linked feels a little iffy.
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Post by leanmeanlovinmachine on May 13, 2015 22:33:35 GMT -5
All that art you linked is definitely Yaegashi Nan. You can tell with the toning. Yaegashi Nan does some NW cards I think, or the sketches for them if that makes sense? His anatomy and proportions are not the best, it's usually been like that. You see it in the Evenicle CGs. His anatomy can sometimes differ but that's just him. He did every art for SK2. He has some that he obviously did in EV but not as much due to I guess there being a ton of CGs. Same as in Versus. I think he's making more just because the series is more popular than before and so he's making a lot more promotional stuff.
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Post by tzitzimine on May 13, 2015 23:30:57 GMT -5
It would seem that Nan only does the CGs for the series now and he devotes most of his time to other projects (like the Alicesoft games or that browser game).
He sure as hell didn't do the character art for EV.
In any case, I don't expect to see more Senran Kagura for at least a year and that would certainly depend on how well Valkyrie's Drive performs. If is a hit I wouldn't be surprised if Marvy choose to bench SK for a while.
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Post by leanmeanlovinmachine on May 13, 2015 23:34:54 GMT -5
I dont know how VD will do. If it's going to hit 50-60k, I'd believe that'd be a success. Depends how long and what you mean by benching. I want to see some VD game PV. Reaction to it has been lukewarm.
Nan certainly did do the character art for EV. You can see it in the toning and everything. I think most of it is he's trying to find good posing. I dont see how it cant be anything but.
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Post by tzitzimine on May 13, 2015 23:50:21 GMT -5
Coloring and toning doesn't mean anything these days.
The biggest tell is the anatomy. Compare how wonky and oddly proportionated the characters are on the individual renders with how are they depicted on EV's CGs.
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Post by leanmeanlovinmachine on May 14, 2015 0:09:21 GMT -5
A lot of the EV CGs are not Nan's but the character portrait art certainly is. Just look at the bodily features and everything from the face and everything. He isnt that great at anatomy as seen by some Evenicle CGs or his entire history. Also the fact that it credited him as the artist for it when they were revealed. I dont know why he's being discussed as not being the artist anymore. Is the box art for EV not him too? I'm looking at the EV portraits and comparing them to dekamori forward, the bonus arts and everything and I cant see how it is NOT Nan. Who is this artist now that's doing the main art and design then?
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Post by Seventh on May 14, 2015 0:10:45 GMT -5
It would seem that Nan only does the CGs for the series now and he devotes most of his time to other projects (like the Alicesoft games or that browser game). He sure as hell didn't do the character art for EV. Just comparing the EV character art to the browser games and the Alicesoft games should be a really easy tell. Those were not done by the same people at all.
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Post by leanmeanlovinmachine on May 14, 2015 0:20:10 GMT -5
It would seem that Nan only does the CGs for the series now and he devotes most of his time to other projects (like the Alicesoft games or that browser game). He sure as hell didn't do the character art for EV. Just comparing the EV character art to the browser games and the Alicesoft games should be a really easy tell. Those were done by the same people at all. FTFY Which EV character art? I must be confused here. I'm literally looking at the three you posted and cant see how they arent the same artist. I'm looking at the other characters. I cant see how it's not Nan. What is it that looks different for you. Take Ikaruga, she's just standing still really. Pretty much identical to a lot of what Evenicle and the browser stuff is. I dont know when they got rid of nan then, but this guy has to be a good imitator. Anyway I'm tired. I think some of the EV portraits looked weird at first because he's trying to make some kind of pose for them that isn't similar to another games art for them. I imagine new characters means easier art.
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Post by leanmeanlovinmachine on May 14, 2015 0:28:35 GMT -5
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Post by tzitzimine on May 14, 2015 0:37:18 GMT -5
This is Nan This is NOT You can tell when the artist is the same due certain signature elements on their craft. In the case of humanoid characters, the more obvious ones are the hands, feet and clothing. Take notice how Nan's faces tend to be more angular, the clothing doesn't have DBZ's like of endless folds, hands and feet are also clearly seen and the different posing shows he has certain degree of mastery drawing them. Whoever did Homura's art for EV makes the faces more "circular", clothes have folds over folds and the composition is such that intentionally makes harder to the viewer to pay attention to hands and feet. And that is just some examples. If you're familiar with the anime and manga industry, credits are meaningless. Every big artist has assistants that "ape" their master style so they can met deadlines and often they go uncredited.
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Post by Seventh on May 14, 2015 0:37:33 GMT -5
leanmeanlovinmachine For the art or designs though? It's also likely not something they want to just announce. Or really on topic anymore. tzitzimine Yup yup yup! Yozakura is a really obvious one I think. The ways this artist and Yaegashi do stuff like that are pretty different.
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Post by leanmeanlovinmachine on May 14, 2015 0:46:41 GMT -5
They really just look too much the same. The face shape, characteristics and everything. Looking at the EV art and his other stuff, it's much too similar. I'll just have to disagree with you guys, that is most definitely Nan. Try comparing his art from burst to now, the guy is fluid. Take a look at his browser game art and evenicle, some circular faces there. Only, both those Homura faces are nearly the same.
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Post by tzitzimine on May 14, 2015 0:55:54 GMT -5
They look similar because is the same character and they are using a "master" design for it. Is how both a manga artist and freaking Jim Lee (or any wester artist of your choice) can draw Batman and despite stylistic differences everyone can recognize Batman.
As they say, the devil is in the details. And since Nan hasn't changed his style like Aragaki (Jojo's creator) did the only possible explanation is that someone else did the character art for EV.
And isn't the first time either, another artist handled duties on Bon Appetit, multiple artists work on New Wave and a different artist handled the initial designs for Deep Crimson
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